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4 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2009 - 5:59PM
#31
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Date Joined:
Aug 22, 2007
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Confirmed Races: Minotaur, Githzerai, Wilden
Speculated race(s): crystalline race (I'm expecting something completely new here)
Confirmed Classes: Psion, Monk
Speculated classes:
Empath - a psionic leader with aura effects and an emphasis on "feedback" abilities (damaging those that hurt you or your allies).
"Psychic Warrior" - psionic defender. Has a mark that is almost like light mind-control. Has the "super-jumps" and other provocative elements from the 3.5 class.
Witch/Hexer - Primal Controller. This class is inspired mostly by the Witch "class" from the 3e DMG and (more recently) the Hexer NPC from the MMII. This class effectively melds Arcane and Primal traditions. It could be skilled at Alchemy. It doesn't coexist with or serve spirits like the Shaman or Druid, but rather controls, enslaves or summons them.
Runethane - Divine ?. A class themed around divine rune magic. Places runes and the like on the weapons and armor or himself and allies, and then activates them during the fight. I'm thinking this would be a Leader class.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 07, 2009 - 3:27AM
#32
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Date Joined:
Apr 28, 2008
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For the sake of argument, let's assume that A) there will be 6 PHB3 classes, and B) the Hybrid section will include the Swordmage and Artificer. I know there will be people whining about the Swordmage & Artificer being included, but since the Hybrid playtest includes the Swordmage, I feel it a safe assumption. That is a minimum of 24 classes.
Now, let's assume 2 - 4 pages for rules.
1 page for each class, or 24 pages.
Wild speculation, but let's say there will be at least 1 Hybrid specific PP, and 1 ED, each at 1 page.
That's roughly 26 definite, 30 possible pages. The PHB2 classes average 12 - 14 pages, plus 4 for PPs.
Therefore, it's definitely possible there will be 7 classes. However, it's extremely unlikely there will be 8, and I just don't see them doing 1 Divine 2 Primal, or 2 Divine 1 Primal. So for now I'm going to bet on 6.
Your page maths are all Shiny and nice but you're assuming an awful lot.2-4 pages for rules on what?
The PHB 2 also had rituals, racial paragon paths, new feats (including racial feats) and lots on backgrounds.
13 pages of racial PP's, of which we'll only need 4 for this book
6 pages on backgrounds, 4 of which were Racial with 3-4 per page
That's 10 pages of space that won't be used in the same way as before.
We can assume pages for Rituals, new Items, new feats and Epic Destinies will be similar but smaller page counts.
So there's a few pages going spare, and less need for other things like rules revisions or glosseries, etc.
I think 7 is a good number for classes for this PHB, but there may be space for an 8th.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 07, 2009 - 1:00PM
#33
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Date Joined:
Jul 17, 2001
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Don't forget you have the reconfigured Ki classes to account for too here. So you might be looking at some combination of Samurai/Shugenja/Wu Jen/Ninja appearing as well. Or at the very least, the design concepts of these classes, even if they get renamed to remove the Asian flavor (not that this bothers me if they were to keep it).
The Wu Jen write-up in Complete Arcane says they are spellcasters that command the elements, spirit forces, and the powers of nature... so it's quite easy to think they could be re-purposed into another Primal controller... one that is purely ranged, unlike the druid.
By the same token, Shugenja are listed in Complete Divine as a divine spellcaster that attunes himself to the primal energies around him and focusing the energy to produce magical effects. They are also particularly drawn to investigate disturbances in the natural harmony of the four classical elements, as well as priests who teach the rituals of piety, venerate the memory of long-departed ancestors and measure the passage of time. So this class too could easily be reworked to fit into the Primal or Divine source as perhaps a ranged striker (since both of those two sources currently only have melee strikers represented).
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4 years ago ::
Aug 07, 2009 - 3:31PM
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... The Wu Jen ... The Shugenja ...
Or they could, you know, make an appearance in the PH4 under the Elemental Power source.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 07, 2009 - 4:18PM
#35
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Or they could, you know, make an appearance in the PH4 under the Elemental Power source.
Seconded. And with different names; those names suck for 4e. Even if they're in the PHB3, I can almost guarantee you they'll have different names.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 07, 2009 - 7:02PM
#36
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Date Joined:
Jul 25, 2007
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I'm no longer expecting Soulknife as a separate class. But I do semi-expect, and definitely hope for, the Soulknife to appear as a pseudo class dseigned like the Spellscar. That way you get the variety of powers and such over multiple levels, without worrying about things like how one build will be different from another.
That or at least for it to be a specific build of either the monk or defender.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 07, 2009 - 11:11PM
#37
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Date Joined:
Apr 26, 2006
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I'm no longer expecting Soulknife as a separate class. But I do semi-expect, and definitely hope for, the Soulknife to appear as a pseudo class designed like the Spellscar. That way you get the variety of powers and such over multiple levels, without worrying about things like how one build will be different from another.
That or at least for it to be a specific build of either the monk or defender.
I envision it as the second build for the Monk and I'm not big on spellscars.
Bel
Originally Posted by WotC_RichBaker
In related news, I'm afraid I'm going to have to confiscate your 3.5 rulebooks, and force you to convert to the new edition. Where do you live?
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4 years ago ::
Aug 07, 2009 - 11:14PM
#38
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Date Joined:
Apr 14, 2007
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I am hoping to see some manner of Feat-Tree for Mindblade, it would be for any Psionic class. It could be any weapon you are trained in, with additional benefits that is suited for a Mindblade. I would definitely have it count as a Psionic Implement.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 07, 2009 - 11:39PM
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Soulknife would be a Superior Unarmed Strike proficenct feat for Monk. So will a revised version of Gnoll Clawfighter, with other benifits for non-monks.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2009 - 8:26AM
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Date Joined:
Nov 12, 2005
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Judging by this information, my guess is the Soulknife has been held off until PH4, along with another Psionic class to complement the Shadow classes.
Pity.
Or it might be a monk paragon path. It has occurred to me that if you really wanted to play a soulknife, a reskinned monk might do the trick.
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