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4 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2009 - 7:04AM #41
JohnLynch
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Tharag Bocc wrote:

Also, there are some very strong RP reasons to hybrid, such as having a mixed background, trained simultaneously in aspects of multiple disciplines.


Which perfectly describes the Swordmage. Viewed one way, a Swordmage is simply a hybrid Fighter/Wizard using a different mechanic

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2009 - 7:12AM #42
doctorhook
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williamhm75 wrote:

Id rather have 8 classes than hybrid rules. The current multi classing is fine. Ill look at hybrid but right now if I run a game there is probaly a 90% chance Ill disallow hybrid characters. Reminds me too much of 3.5 days where people would take things only for mechanical benifit than for rp.

That said bring on the githyanki the more races we have to choose from the better.


Unlike in 3E, however, Hybrid rules are much more consistent in their effectiveness. In 3E, multiclassing could make your character vastly more useful, or shoot you in the foot, depending on what you were multiclassing into; in 4E, Hybrid characters are basically never more effective than single-classed characters, but they can be as effective as them for short periods of time. In short, they're basically never either overpowered or totally useless.

The only major pitfall with Hybrids in 4E is that your character needs to be even more aware than usual of which role he can fill, unless you like being ineffective.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2009 - 7:19AM #43
Vilnias_Nastavnik
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Aluman wrote:

I would just prefer the loss of the term 'small'


I am sincerely sorry to offend, how about:

"Vertically Challenged"

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2009 - 7:20AM #44
Darkwolf_Bloodsbane
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Nekoazu wrote:

I wonder how'll they'll find a good excuse about the Lich Queen killing every githyanki of lvl 15/16+... Unless they retcon that part, ofcourse.


Actually, one of my characters killed her off in a home campaign so badly that she's dead forever. She'll be a vestige in 5e. :D

Seriously, though, I hope they kill her off. I hate the Githyanki, and wish they had a more compassionite leader. Maybe then they'll stop trying to kill me...

(Running campaign joke. My 3.5 characters have almost all had problems with -Yanki rading parties.)

Ahh, so THIS is where I can add a sig.

Remember: Killing an ancient God inside of a pyramid IS a Special Occasion, and thus, ladies should be dipping into their Special Occasions underwear drawer.
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2009 - 7:22AM #45
Tharag_Bocc
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JohnLynch wrote:

Which perfectly describes the Swordmage. Viewed one way, a Swordmage is simply a hybrid Fighter/Wizard using a different mechanic


True, but hybrid classes are probably simpler solution than trying to create a class for every possible mixed training background.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2009 - 7:24AM #46
doctorhook
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Vilnias_Nastavnik wrote:

Aluman]View Post
I would just prefer the loss of the term 'small'


I am sincerely sorry to offend, how about:

"Vertically Challenged"




Seriously though, Small is one of the biggest problems (pun intended) for PCs in 4E. Small characters are missing out on the ability to be effective in any class that relies upon w wrote:

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I would just prefer the loss of the term 'small'[/quote]
I am sincerely sorry to offend, how about:

"Vertically Challenged"[/quote]


Seriously though, Small is one of the biggest problems (pun intended) for PCs in 4E. Small characters are missing out on the ability to be effective in any class that relies upon weapons.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2009 - 7:35AM #47
Tharag_Bocc
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doctorhook wrote:

Seriously though, Small is one of the biggest problems (pun intended) for PCs in 4E. Small characters are missing out on the ability to be effective in any class that relies upon weapons.


Except rogue. They can also pull off the dual scimitar ranger (AKA, Drizzt clone) just as well as any drow.

Also, small PCs can be quite "effective" in any weapon based class, they just aren't likely to be "optimal". There is a difference.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2009 - 7:41AM #48
doctorhook
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Tharag Bocc wrote:

Except rogue. They can also pull off the dual scimitar ranger (AKA, Drizzt clone) just as well as any drow.

Also, small PCs can be quite "effective" in any weapon based class, they just aren't likely to be "optimal". There is a difference.


You're right. Optimal is more accurate. Still, it's a major discouragement against being a weapon user, the same way that a racial bonus to using weapons (ie: MM's Oversized ability) is a major discouragement to using implements.

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4 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2009 - 7:41AM #49
Kerrus
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I want Gnolls.

That is all.
Oh Content, where art thou?
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4 years ago  ::  Jul 08, 2009 - 8:05AM #50
Tharag_Bocc
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doctorhook wrote:

You're right. Optimal is more accurate. Still, it's a major discouragement against being a weapon user, the same way that a racial bonus to using weapons (ie: MM's Oversized ability) is a major discouragement to using implements.


Or a major encouragement for those seeking to play against type (long a popular RPG activity).

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