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4 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2009 - 12:34PM
#291
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Personally, I hope Githyanki don't become a player race. That's what ruined drow. One "good" drow and suddenly they're not an enemy, but a character race option.
You need a good "Evil" race for the characters to go up against.
Making it optional will make those interested in playing it happy while those who aren't can still use it as an enemy. I fail to see the horror in making others happy by providing.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2009 - 1:01PM
#292
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My campaign worlds have all had player race villians. If I wanted to make an always evil race I'd declare one of the races my party didn't choose. While "good frog alien" and "bad frog alien" might not be separate concepts, I think "Highly disciplined psychic monastics" and "Wild-living telekinetic free spirits" are.
Kalashtar are Humans that got psychic powers from Dream spirits and are disciplined monastics. If anything, they clash too much with Githzari defensive psionics, and one of them should go.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2009 - 3:49PM
#293
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Date Joined:
Jul 25, 2007
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Personally, I hope Githyanki don't become a player race. That's what ruined drow. One "good" drow and suddenly they're not an enemy, but a character race option.
You need a good "Evil" race for the characters to go up against.
There were good drow before Drizzt, the drow weren't ruined, and we already have the best Evil race ever in the game: HUMANS.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2009 - 10:08PM
#294
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Date Joined:
Oct 16, 2007
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And they were both PC options in 2e thanks to Planescape.
You realize that the Githzerai were presented as a PC race TWICE in Planescape. And I seem to recall the book that had Githyanki PC stats, mentioned that it was far harder to have a Githyanki as a PC, as every Planescape book generally assumed that either someone in the party was a Githzerai or got along with the Githzerai as they were a core Planescape race, rather than an optional one.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2009 - 10:12PM
#295
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Date Joined:
Jul 25, 2007
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You realize that the Githzerai were presented as a PC race TWICE in Planescape. And I seem to recall the book that had Githyanki PC stats, mentioned that it was far harder to have a Githyanki as a PC, as every Planescape book generally assumed that either someone in the party was a Githzerai or got along with the Githzerai as they were a core Planescape race, rather than an optional one.
Yes, I do know that since I own the books. Thanks for assuming I didn't though. And way to miss the point - the point being thaX being just a wee bit hypocritical in accepting one but not the other, since both used to be "monsters."
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4 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2009 - 6:05AM
#296
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Date Joined:
Feb 25, 2008
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Making it optional will make those interested in playing it happy while those who aren't can still use it as an enemy. I fail to see the horror in making others happy by providing.
The githyanki are already optional. If a DM allows it a player can write up a githyanki using the MM writeup. Putting a race in a PHB by default means it's not so much 'optional' as it is 'standard'. The point of the PG/PHB races is that they have a significant enough good population to be considered a PC race. Rare one-offs of good are best either homebrewed or based off the MM racial write-ups.
In 4e FR there are good drow and evil drow both in large numbers, especially when you take in to account the drow who were reverted to 'dark elves' by Corellon. Their skin got lighter but other than that they don't seem to be statted any different than drow (though the FR PG/CG don't specificy if they use drow or elf racial writeups). Long before Drizz't I had a good (leaning towards neutral) drow multiclass thief/fighter female during the 1e days and her partner was a female valley elf (Greyhawk elf subrace) cleric.
As for the 4e default fluff it's 50/50 on the Lich Queen since the Dragon article leaves it up to the DM if they want to have her still alive or if they want to use the post-scales of war shift in the Githyanki main city with Gith returned and the Lich Queen dead.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2009 - 5:10PM
#297
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Apr 14, 2007
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Time to make a prediction! The Githyanki shall appear in The Plane Above. It imagine could be similar to the Bladeling, since it isn't a PHB, Dragon, etc. so probably won't be a full-race. Also since The Plane Above is in many regards a sequel to Manual of The Planes. I make this prediction mainly based off this, so yeah I am most likely completely wrong :P 
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4 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2009 - 5:58PM
#298
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Jul 25, 2007
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Sweet cover. But seeing as how based on the Bladeling that wouldn't really be any different from the MM, the only way that'd be acceptable is if it had feat support. I mean more than just the one crumb given the Bladeling.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2009 - 9:03PM
#299
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Time to make a prediction!
The Githyanki shall appear in The Plane Above. It imagine could be similar to the Bladeling, since it isn't a PHB, Dragon, etc. so probably won't be a full-race. Also since The Plane Above is in many regards a sequel to Manual of The Planes.
I make this prediction mainly based off this, so yeah I am most likely completely wrong :P
It's not personal, but I sure hope that you are wrong. I honestly really like the Manual of the Planes, but I was quite annoyed that it broke the "DM-/Player-book boundary" so early into 4E's lifespan, especially when keeping that line so clear was one of the goals of 4E.
As for Githyanki as a player race, I'm surprised at how ambivalent I am towards it. I'd love to see them as a player race, but OTOH I'd also love it if they retained the mystique of being "bad-guy only". Drow are good example of the kind of "villain-decay" you get when a "bad-guy race" becomes available to players, though to be fair, that started happening to Drow long before 4E put them in the FRPG. (Blame Drizz't.)
I think the ideal solution would be to put Githyanki in Dragon Magazine, where only subscribers can get it; that way, there's a limited form of "restriction" on whom it's available to. More importantly though, the magazine is a better venue for monster-races.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2009 - 9:13PM
#300
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Apr 14, 2007
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I'm not for or against it (would prefer a more full one then Bladeling but hope to see it eventually so not completely against). But just another prediction amongst the dozens probably hundreds :P
You know in general I am really liking the idea of exclusives. Especially given that they have stated they will give options for it as time progresses. I would love to see like a monthly Exclusive Race, etc.
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