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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 3:47PM
#351
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Thinking about it more, I suppose it would be okay if it was "use to augment powers" (so a leader could use PP to augment their Healing Word equivalent power, etc. and a defender might have a PP-fueled mark or something). That might work.
But really, I think that's treading on dangerous ground "design-wise" - if each Psionic class works very differently from the others, it's not only a pain in the tail to manage, it also makes them all feel like one-offs, or at most being tied together with a vague theme like "flexibility" or "everyone's powers work differently." Also, I would guess that more variation, the harder it is for the designers to monitor class balance.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 4:42PM
#352
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I expect every psionic class except monk to use power points.
If there is a Soul Knife class, I doubt it will use power points.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 4:45PM
#353
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If there is a Soul Knife class, I doubt it will use power points.
4 for one power source is also the most we have seen for a single power source in a phb. And I expect them to combine psychic warrior with soul knife.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 4:51PM
#354
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The psion only uses power points to augment the at-wills and the encounter power of the paragon path. If you decide to add to the abilities that use power points, you start to make the power point system for that class better than the psion unless you do something to counter balance it. Suppose the psionic leader uses the power point pool to power his healing abilities in addition to the at-wills and PP encounter power, you now end up with a character that may have more power points and more abilities that use power points. Now you can repeatedly use those extra power points for power. Your leader could forgo his healing ability and use those power points to fully augment at-wills. In essence he gets the equivalent of 3 uses of encounter attack powers (2 from the equivalent of the Word healing encounter powers of other leader).
Even if you start to change the cost of the Word power or anything else, the effect is you can potentially end up with more encounter-equivalent attack powers than any other class. The more abilities you include that uses power points, the more the power point system can be abused. You have to give them more power points and those additional power points could potentially be used to spam certain powers.
Psions can transfer 1 power point to another character. I would expect that 1 power point is the same amount of power for any psionic class that uses power points. If you include healing abilities in the list of abilities that uses power points, the leader will then have to start off with more power points than a psion which could lead to it using those points strictly for augmenting the at-wills. This would make it too powerful.
My idea was that the leader would have his 'Word' augmentable but the rest of its power would NOT have the Augment key word. It would probably end up with less Power Points overall than the Psion but they would still be an encounter based ressource.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:24PM
#355
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No its four they said 3 power point using classes. Not 3 or more. I imagine every psionic class other than monk is using power points at least that would be my assumption.
You don't see where your logic failed here? CelticMutt explains it for you below:
No. They said 3 psionic classes that use power points. They said absolutely nothing about the number of psionic classes that don't use power points. Therefore, they did not confirm a maximum of 4 psionic classes.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:27PM
#356
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Jan 22, 2008
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You don't see where your logic failed here? CelticMutt explains it for you below:
Your expectations don't prove anything.
Two data points doesn't make a pattern; PH3 might present five Psionic classes for all we know. Beyond this, you seem to be assuming for some reason that no Psionic classes will appear outside of PH3, when in fact some of the Psionic classes they've mentioned could very well be slated to appear in another location -- a setting Player's Guide, or a D&DI Exclusive article, for example. (Consider the fact that the Bard and Swordmage were mostly designed in time for PH1, but were saved for future books.)
Uh I never said that I expect future psionic classes just that there will be four in phb3 and that 3 will be psionic if they keep to form. I expect there to be 6 eventually since from aperances that seems to be the average number if they print 2 divine and primal in phb3 with martial being the odd man out with only 4.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 5:51PM
#357
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It would probably end up with less Power Points overall than the Psion but they would still be an encounter based ressource.
I highly doubt that. If the individual Power points mean more to any of the classes, the feat that lets you transfer them becomes a lot more important.
For example: at level 10, the Psion has 6 PP. If the Empath had only 2 PP, then the Psion transferring one to the Empath means a lot more for the party. It's not very balanced.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:18PM
#358
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Jun 30, 2008
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I highly doubt that. If the individual Power points mean more to any of the classes, the feat that lets you transfer them becomes a lot more important.
For example: at level 10, the Psion has 6 PP. If the Empath had only 2 PP, then the Psion transferring one to the Empath means a lot more for the party. It's not very balanced.
The difference wouldn't be THAT wide though.
And I'm not a designer... It was just a random thought.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2009 - 6:28PM
#359
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My idea was that the leader would have his 'Word' augmentable but the rest of its power would NOT have the Augment key word. It would probably end up with less Power Points overall than the Psion but they would still be an encounter based ressource.
Interesting idea. However, I get the impression that the other psionic classes will use power points the same way as the psion.
In this new system, power points become the character's primary encounter-based resource, taking the place of his or her encounter attack powers.[/quote]
This would indicate to me that other psionic classes that use power points will do so the same way as the psion. If other classes use power points in different ways, you have the additional complexity of trying to equate power points used by the psionic leader for healing and the psion's equivalent of augmenting at-wills to be the equivalent of encounter powers.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 15, 2009 - 6:20PM
#360
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Jul 29, 2008
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And I expect them to combine psychic warrior with soul knife.
Perhaps a Soulblade, a psionic defender who can project a sword of energy and use telekinetic pushes and deflection, and can use some telepathic powers to influence people. "These are not the golems you are looking for..." Oh, wait.
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