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4 years ago ::
Jun 15, 2009 - 2:49PM
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I have a proposal:
Instead of updating an old Campaign Setting to 4E, why not WOTC instead design a brand-new setting that's tailor-made for 4E*? That way, we don't have hordes of fans screaming "they broke it forever!" and other such nonsense.
* Well, other than Points of Light, which really isn't a setting so much as it is a campaign theme.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 15, 2009 - 3:45PM
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Date Joined:
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A nice idea, but then practicality comes into play. They have easily a dozen worlds to choose form and update at much lower in-house cost than a new setting. Dragonlance (my bet for 2011), Athas/DarkSun (my guess for 2010), Mystara/Hollow World, Al-Qadim, Birthright, Blackmoor (although probably no longer owned), Greyhawk (I hope they never touch this), Jakandor, Kara-Tur, Mahasarpa, Maztica, Rokugan, Savage Coast, and even Planescape and Spelljammer.
With all that they already own, and can easily update / convert / re-publish whole cloth, it would probably not make sense to start anew.
I would, however, not mind a brand new world.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 15, 2009 - 4:14PM
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It took a along time for Eberron to come together from the time of the submissions of the setting search to full blown setting. If they have a new setting in the works, and I'd say they do, it has to already be in the works.
Aesop had it right 2,500 years ago, "By endeavoring to please everyone, he had pleased no one, and lost his ass in the bargain".
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4 years ago ::
Jun 15, 2009 - 5:28PM
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Ive been asking for this. Would love to see this especially with the speculation that the next setting is DL. Id love to see every setting published in 4e be something new and unique unfortunatley too many gamers are attached to a sense of nostalgia and want the same tired worn out crap all the time, hence the complaints on when they changed forgotten realms for the better.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 15, 2009 - 5:36PM
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I have a proposal:
Instead of updating an old Campaign Setting to 4E, why not WOTC instead design a brand-new setting that's tailor-made for 4E*? That way, we don't have hordes of fans screaming "they broke it forever!" and other such nonsense.
* Well, other than Points of Light, which really isn't a setting so much as it is a campaign theme.
I think this is a good suggestion, but it will be too late for the 2010 setting, if that isn't already well into development there is something very very wrong.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 15, 2009 - 5:42PM
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It seems likely that DL is the 2010 setting. As for getting something new, I'd like that too. My current interest however is getting something that is thematically different. There is nothing wrong with the generic fantasty of FR, DL, or Greyhawk; but I would prefer to revisit the gothic horror of Ravenloft or the interstellar adventures of Spelljammer. Something that is not generic fantasy.
Why Mechanics-Alignment Integration is Bad
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so why even play a fighter if you can play the paladin the exact same way behaviorally and get added power to boot. "Paladin" is about accepting better game-enhancing mechanics at the price of more rigid in game behavior.
Really? So it goes something like this?
Fighter: "I want to be a paladin."
NPC: "Really?"
Fighter: "Yes."
NPC: "Very well." Starts reading from a holy book while still in-character "Do you accept having to choose and stick to the lawful good alignment, eventhough neither of us actually knows that it exists or what it is?"
Fighter: "I do."
NPC: "Do you reject good game balance because you accidentally rolled a high Charisma?"
Fighter: "What?"
NPC: "I don't know what it means either."
Fighter: "Oh. Umm, ok I do."
NPC: "In the name of all that is metagamey and broken, accept these better game enhancing mechanics."
Fighter: "These what?"
NPC: "Just get out there and try to fulfill a million different people's notion of good while not violating and part of any of them."
So the system is designed such that every single hit needs to be described to avoid confusion? Here's a scenario. The players are nudists, everybody in the world are nudists, it's not weird, it's totally normal in this land. They are naked and they fight drakes taking damage throughout, but healing up with surges. Later they meet the guy who raised the drakes.
Part 1: I didn't describe any of the hits. What does he see?
Part 2: Lets say I described the drakes as biting the players, yet they healed up. What does he see?
D20 Modern Toon PC Race.
Mecha Pilot's Skill Challenge Emporium.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 15, 2009 - 5:59PM
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I'd like to see an entirely new, taylor made setting. I prefer to play some settings with a specific ruleset, such as Spelljammer (with 2nd edition) or the Known World (with Basic). Updating these worlds to the new game wouldn't interest me, not as much as a new world might at least. I first realized this back when the Known World was updated (as Mystara) to 2nd edition AD&D. Warning! Pointless Speculation Ahead
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I think there are only a few settings with a wide enough appeal to update to the new game: Forgotten Realms, Eberron, Dark Sun, Dragonlance, Greyhawk (all in no particular order). They may release Ravenloft, Planescape, Spelljammer but I'd guess it will farther down the line. I'd love to see Al-Qadim but don't see it happening.
No disrespect to fans of any particular settings, just harmless speculation on my part (relax  ). I'd guess, three more years of re-launches (at least) before they'll be ready to release an entirely new D&D setting.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 15, 2009 - 10:05PM
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Somewhere there was a vague confirmation that the 2010 setting would be "familiar". I would expect Dark Sun, but there's plenty of "evidence" that supports Dragonlance as the 2010 setting. (see the Future Releases board for some discussion on that)
That said, I hope we get a new setting in 2011. Specifically, I want to see Rich Burlew's setting that came in 2nd place to Eberron.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 15, 2009 - 10:11PM
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Date Joined:
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A brand-new setting is so much more work than an update that I doubt we'll see one before 2015. My guesses for upcoming settings are:
2010 - Greyhawk
2011 - Dragonlance
2012 - Dark Sun
2013 - Ravenloft
2014 - Spelljammer
However, that's just an off-the-top-of-my-head guess, and I doubt even WotC has any firm plans that far in advance.
As for what kind of new setting, there's a type of setting that I've seen a couple times in video game RPGs, but never in a Traditional RPG. If any of you have played Skies of Arcadia or Baten Kaitos, you'll know what I'm talking about. The floating islands and flying boats, where far below is the mysterious abyss, and a mythical "ocean" that no one can reach.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 15, 2009 - 10:11PM
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A dream setting for me would be something like Bas-Lag and specifically New Crozubon. Especially since I think "New Weird" has been fairly popular in fantasy for more then a few years. It is also quite different then most D&D settings.
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