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4 years ago ::
May 11, 2009 - 7:39AM
#31
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Ki is dead. It is no longer here. However, on my name, within my mechanics, it continues to live on!
Thinking a manifestation to pierce the heavens. Even in a grave, I can think on.
And if I can break through, it's my victory!
Who the hell do you think I am?
I'm Psionics. Not my bro, Ki.
I am myself! Psionics the Manifester!
Certain kill!
GIGA... MIND... CRUSHER!
You...
you killed your Bro?
(EDIT: I have GOT to stop watching this show. I bought the glasses at ACEN.)
Ahh, so THIS is where I can add a sig.
Remember: Killing an ancient God inside of a pyramid IS a Special Occasion, and thus, ladies should be dipping into their Special Occasions underwear drawer.
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4 years ago ::
May 11, 2009 - 7:39AM
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No, it really doesn't. It only says Ki didn't suit Monks.
it says nothing about what's happening to Ki power source or any classes.
There are a lot more questions that needed to be answered.
They've never stated Samurai and Ninja as previously promised classes, they're addressing those archetypes and saying how Ki doesn't fit them.
There's nothing that says Ki won't be used for other classes, it just won't be used for the Monk and other Asian classes (of which Wu-Jen and Shugenja particularly fit other power sources better).
It would be nice to know what current plans there are for the PHB3, people were expecting at least Ki and Psionics, now we only know about Psionics.
We could still see Ki classes of a different kind, the subject of Ki and what it can represent has been discussed on this forum. All we know about it is that it represents the power of the soul. Given that description, Monk doesn't fit Ki and Psionics is the next best fit (but only because of some powers which don't fit martial).
They could still do Ki and associated classes. They have not said Ki is dead, just why certain archetypes didn't fit.
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4 years ago ::
May 11, 2009 - 7:50AM
#33
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"the ki power source proved untenable" - DesDev
DICTIONARY
Untenable
adjective
(esp. of a point of view) not able to be maintained or defended against attack or objection: this argument is clearly untenable.
DERIVATIVES
untenability noun
unteably adverb
THESAURUS
these untenable explanations are not helping your case
INDEFENSIBLE, insupportable, unsustainable, unjustified, unjustifiable, flimsly, weak, shaky.
-Oxford American Dictionary
Sounds pretty DEAD to me.
A great man once said "If WotC put out boxes full of free money there'd still be people complaining about how it's folded." – Boraxe
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4 years ago ::
May 11, 2009 - 7:52AM
#34
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You can still do the elemental power source.
You would have to make difference between FIRE and ELEMENTAL FIRE. Or any of the other elements 
One can light a candle, cast burning hands, summon a fireball all with the FIRE keyword.
But bending the Prims or even the Efreeti and controlling the element of fire speaks of more of a worldly/planer power source.
Like a class that's essentially nothing but a pyrokineticist? Fairly limited in scope if you ask me. I can see a class that can go multiple paths with the elements, but then again, the Wizard/Sorcerer/Swordsage already do that too.
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4 years ago ::
May 11, 2009 - 8:00AM
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No, it really doesn't. It only says Ki didn't suit Monks.
it says nothing about what's happening to Ki power source or any classes.
There are a lot more questions that needed to be answered.
They've never stated Samurai and Ninja as previously promised classes, they're addressing those archetypes and saying how Ki doesn't fit them.
There's nothing that says Ki won't be used for other classes, it just won't be used for the Monk and other Asian classes (of which Wu-Jen and Shugenja particularly fit other power sources better).
It would be nice to know what current plans there are for the PHB3, people were expecting at least Ki and Psionics, now we only know about Psionics.
We could still see Ki classes of a different kind, the subject of Ki and what it can represent has been discussed on this forum. All we know about it is that it represents the power of the soul. Given that description, Monk doesn't fit Ki and Psionics is the next best fit (but only because of some powers which don't fit martial).
They could still do Ki and associated classes. They have not said Ki is dead, just why certain archetypes didn't fit.
If I were one of the designers, it would be people like you that would drive me insane.
Does WotC really have to spell everything out in big, bold letters EVERY time they do ANYTHING?
The article is pretty clear, it's your comprehension that needs some work.
"god! this is the 21st century, where is my "Choke someone through the internet" button?" - Herrozerro
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4 years ago ::
May 11, 2009 - 8:06AM
#36
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"the ki power source proved untenable" - DesDev
DICTIONARY
Untenable
adjective
(esp. of a point of view) not able to be maintained or defended against attack or objection: this argument is clearly untenable.
DERIVATIVES
untenability noun
unteably adverb
THESAURUS
these untenable explanations are not helping your case
INDEFENSIBLE, insupportable, unsustainable, unjustified, unjustifiable, flimsly, weak, shaky.
-Oxford American Dictionary
Sounds pretty DEAD to me.
Its true. According to any tenable interpretation of the english language, the statement that the "Ki power source proved untenable" is a pretty clear indication that the Ki power source is GONE. And thank god. Because really, I'm not all about my D&D having cognitive cultural ghettos. I think the move for monk from Ki to psionic, and the removal of the ki power source, is probably one of the best things I have seen to date. 4e continues to not disappoint. Best development team ever.
That being said, with the much heavier focus on psionic classes in the PHB 3, I think its becoming more and more clear that the 3rd setting is going to be Dark Sun. :D Hell, without the need to include a Ki power source, that 3rd power source can now be elemental.
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4 years ago ::
May 11, 2009 - 8:06AM
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Ki is most definitely gone. Elemental, I feel, is on the chopping block...
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4 years ago ::
May 11, 2009 - 8:10AM
#38
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"The monk ended up where it did because the ki power source proved untenable and psionics is the next best fit."
Untenable for the monk; I don't necessarily read that as meaning they're declaring the Ki power source unworkable at all.
You're probably right, but I think WotC will keep their options open.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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4 years ago ::
May 11, 2009 - 8:11AM
#39
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It feels weird that the monk is going to be a Psionic class. I thought monks were all about enlightenment and martial arts, not throwing refrigerators with your mind. Sine when was the Buddha a psychic?
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4 years ago ::
May 11, 2009 - 8:23AM
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Date Joined:
Apr 28, 2008
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"the ki power source proved untenable" - DesDev
DICTIONARY
Untenable
adjective
(esp. of a point of view) not able to be maintained or defended against attack or objection: this argument is clearly untenable.
DERIVATIVES
untenability noun
unteably adverb
THESAURUS
these untenable explanations are not helping your case
INDEFENSIBLE, insupportable, unsustainable, unjustified, unjustifiable, flimsly, weak, shaky.
-Oxford American Dictionary
Sounds pretty DEAD to me.
Maybe you should look up the word dead.
If you read the article, and the full paragraph, and the full article again, you'll see they are refering to the Monk, its powers and how those related to the Power source.
The Ki power source was unjustifiable as the power source for Monks, but the Psionic power source was.
That's it, it then dismisses 4 other supposed classes as being suitable for Ki or better suited to appear in some other form.
None of this says anything about Ki or any classes related to it. Or that Ki is being dumped.
It does sound like Ki is being dumped completely, which IMO is a mistake, but it doesn't say its dead as a power source.
I've stated this on the relevant response topic for the article, but it would be nice to hear what's happening to Ki as it does sound like its being abandoned.
However, we could see another class that forms the centre of Ki power, but they won't be Samurai's Monks, Ninjas, Wu-Jen or Shugenja's.
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