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4 years ago  ::  May 10, 2009 - 9:54PM #41
sigil_beguiler
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While knowing for a fact that there is going to be Psionics in PHB3, and more space for it with the exclusion of Ki, plus hopefully this means more classes for Psionics. One worry I have is how much the Ki flavours Psionics, I really want lots of Pseudoscience in my Psionics. I am hopeful that since it is more one included within Psionics and not built into it from the beginning will mean there is Pseudoscience.

Gah! Makes me want to see even more stuff!
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4 years ago  ::  May 10, 2009 - 9:57PM #42
Marandahir
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On that note; KI IS DEAD!!!!
A great man once said "If WotC put out boxes full of free money there'd still be people complaining about how it's folded." – Boraxe

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4 years ago  ::  May 10, 2009 - 9:57PM #43
doctorhook
Date Joined: Apr 23, 2005
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GhostStepper wrote:

I could see the soulknife get the gladiator treatment. It could just be a series of feats that let you use whatever weapon your class normally uses as an energy blade. You could make a soulknife out of any class then.


That's true, but personally I prefer to think "Psionic Defender" for the Soulknife, because the only shoe-in for the role right now is the "Psychic Warrior", a bland class with a bland name and concept. Make it the Soulknife: suddenly our Psionic Defender role is filled, and we've given a cool class a new life in 4E -- everybody wins!

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4 years ago  ::  May 10, 2009 - 9:58PM #44
GhostStepper
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doctorhook wrote:

Oh, and I forgot to mention: Monks treat Unarmed attacks not only as a weapon they are proficient with, but also as 1d8 damage, +3 proficiency weapons with a reach of 1, which again, are enchantable.


This jumped out as super lame to me. What if no one in your party has the enchant ritual?

The DMG also recomends tossing PCs items with enchantments that are above their level. The unarmed monk will never have a weapon with as high a bonus as other people in the party if his party always has to wait for the caster with the minimum level to get his hands redone. There had better be a way to get unarmed enhancements that don't involve a ritual that you don't even get by default.

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4 years ago  ::  May 10, 2009 - 9:59PM #45
Jim_Darkmagic_Fanboy
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Did not see the Psionic bit coming but it makes a ton of sense. Psionics were always about discipline and inner focus... Plus this means Soulknifes are free to become the Psionic Defender (what's more Psionic-y than conjuring weapons with your mind?).

So then we'll have the Monk (striker), Soulknife (Defender)... And what? I'm hesitant to say Wilder since the Sorcerer sort of stole some of its coolness... I'd probably see the Psion's 6 Disciplines being divided into the controller called the Psion (taking Clairsentience, Metacreativity and Psychokinesis) and the leader called an Egoist (taking Psychometabolism, Psychoportation and Telepathy).

All in all, I love the change!
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4 years ago  ::  May 10, 2009 - 10:00PM #46
GhostStepper
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My bet is that Elemental bites the dust next.
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4 years ago  ::  May 10, 2009 - 10:02PM #47
MetAisthetike
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Long live shadow!
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4 years ago  ::  May 10, 2009 - 10:02PM #48
ambulacetus
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Jim_Darkmagic_Fanboy wrote:

Did not see the Psionic bit coming but it makes a ton of sense. Psionics were always about discipline and inner focus... Plus this means Soulknifes are free to become the Psionic Defender (what's more Psionic-y than conjuring weapons with your mind?).

So then we'll have the Monk (striker), Soulknife (Defender)... And what? I'm hesitant to say Wilder since the Sorcerer sort of stole some of its coolness... I'd probably see the Psion's 6 Disciplines being divided into the controller called the Psion (taking Clairsentience, Metacreativity and Psychokinesis) and the leader called an Egoist (taking Psychometabolism, Psychoportation and Telepathy).

All in all, I love the change!


I could certainly see this sort of layout being used. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the name Egoist (but I don't really care that much about names).

My favorite discipline in 3.5 was shaper, I wonder where shaper style powers will end up. . .

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4 years ago  ::  May 10, 2009 - 10:03PM #49
mrsake
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Marandahir wrote:

On that note; KI IS DEAD!!!!


And the peasents rejoiced.

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4 years ago  ::  May 10, 2009 - 10:03PM #50
Marandahir
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I disagree - Shugenja, Ninja, and Wu Jen were moved to other Power Sources; I bet they will both be Elemental, and the Ninja are these "True Assassins" spoken of in the Assassins article.

Elemental has such room to play with too - races like Ravaasta could become playable, with the racial PP being more like the monster from MoP.
A great man once said "If WotC put out boxes full of free money there'd still be people complaining about how it's folded." – Boraxe

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