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Oct 06, 2008 - 12:14PM
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Leader- Empath- Has the ability to (class feature) give hitpoints from their own hit point amount to give to allies and can work as a health-bank
Was I dreaming or did the Barbarian playtest article I read late last night in fact mention the Empath as Psionic Leader?
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5 years ago ::
Oct 06, 2008 - 1:01PM
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I don't seem to see anything that says anything about that, but I could be wrong, where did you think you saw this?
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5 years ago ::
Oct 06, 2008 - 1:06PM
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I don't seem to see anything that says anything about that, but I could be wrong, where did you think you saw this?
I really didn't see anything like that in there. There is mention of the other PHII races (which makes sense), and the other Barb build (which also makes sense), but nothing else that I noticed.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 06, 2008 - 2:03PM
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- Stampeding Hybrid
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Was I dreaming or did the Barbarian playtest article I read late last night in fact mention the Empath as Psionic Leader?
No you weren't dreaming. You were half asleep though.
And there will be healer-type characters (leaders, in other words) in other power sources--for example, bards, psionic empaths, and so on.[/quote]
[url=http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1072927&page=10]Thank you Rich Baker.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 06, 2008 - 5:03PM
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No you weren't dreaming. You were half asleep though.
:heehee
Thanks for helpin' me out, buddy! 
I knew it wasn't just all in my head. Now if only they'd believe me about.... :coolcthul ::struggles with straitjacket::
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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 12:45AM
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 So no one else has any reactions to the idea of an Empath as the Psionic Leader?? Personally, I'm pretty floored by it. I never thought I'd see something like that in D&D.  I'm sure some people will be like, "What?!" Hehe...but others can appreciate! Darnit, though...I thought I'd be done with my major waiting after PHBII reunited me with the Bard (+Sor, Drd, and divine caster). Now I'll be waiting for the Empath too!
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Oct 07, 2008 - 1:12AM
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So no one else has any reactions to the idea of an Empath as the Psionic Leader??
There's no proof that any particular named class was mentioned when the word Empath was used. Much like the previous thread about "Thaumaturge" it's just another descriptive word.
And Empath sounds too much as a healer, and not enough as a leader (as opposed to perhaps Ardent). Especially when they want players wanting to play leaders rather than a support character as a healer.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 3:38AM
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There's no proof that any particular named class was mentioned when the word Empath was used. Much like the previous thread about "Thaumaturge" it's just another descriptive word.
I actually think the use of "empath" is much more lined up than "thaumaturge" was. Healing is clearly the topic of discussion and Mr. Baker is clearly giving examples of what types of characters can heal. However, you do make a good point in that it is not 100% proof. Thank you for bringing that up.
And Empath sounds too much as a healer, and not enough as a leader (as opposed to perhaps Ardent). Especially when they want players wanting to play leaders rather than a support character as a healer.
Although I see the distinction you draw between the names Empath and Ardent, I disagree that Empath is inherently unsuitable. "Empath" is more traditionally associated with psionics even outside D&D, and empathy itself, like a cleric's healing, is not lame, weak, or backseat-support-only when it is idealized heroically. Additionally, if offensive cability is a concern, there are examples of empathic attacks and abilities in D&D and in science fiction at large. I happen to like the 3e Ardent class (even though it's essentially just a psionic version of the cleric) and yet I would still prefer an original class built around the Empath name and concept. 
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Oct 07, 2008 - 4:05AM
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There's no proof that any particular named class was mentioned when the word Empath was used. Much like the previous thread about "Thaumaturge" it's just another descriptive word.
And Empath sounds too much as a healer, and not enough as a leader (as opposed to perhaps Ardent). Especially when they want players wanting to play leaders rather than a support character as a healer.
The difference between the thamaturge case and this one is firstly that Rich Baker has given information regarding future classes that has been right in posts like this multiple times before. Secondly he doesn't appear to use a giant thesaurus when he posts, so he wasn't using it as a term for something else. Thirdly it was in a list of other classes that we already know are classes. And as another note, I don't believe that the term empath has previously been used as a term for a psionic leader so it would be a very odd word choice if it wasn't a new class.
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Oct 07, 2008 - 5:34PM
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I'm pretty stoked about the idea of the empath.
Really, a leader that focuses on calming the thoughts of his allies is pretty cool. Add in a glowing longsword, and I have a Jedi with battle meditation.
What I'd like to see from this is some sort of link between party members, letting them swap basic attack bonuses, or skils. We especially need an ability that lets the party work more as one unit, fluff wise, than a bunch of separate entities. Similar to a hive mind, but less borg like.
I'd also like to see the empath have a LOT of utility powers that affect skill challenges that focus on dialogue options, such as intimidation, bluff, and diplomacy. After all, there were only two reasons why Picard kept Troi around, first is pretty up the bridge, the second is for those empathic hunches she got. :P
You know, I can't wait to play an empath, if they have anything like what I've described above, so I can use a bunch of star wars quotes:
Like when you meet someone with the shadow power source - I sense the dark side in you.
Whenever a party member runs off by themself - Control! Control! You must learn control!
Yep, gonna play a goblin empath with an insanely high dex and wisdom.
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