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5 years ago ::
Nov 11, 2008 - 5:36PM
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Date Joined:
Apr 23, 2005
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I know it's way too late for WotC to make changes to the book, but I'd still have liked to see Sorcerers as Primal Controllers. Controllers are rare enough without putting both of them in the Arcane power source. It's not about grid-filling, it's that for the four power sources of the Core Books, there are only three controllers, two of which are Arcane. It seems a little unbalanced. I think I might house-rule Sorcerers as Primal, unless there is a mechanical reason for them to remain Arcane.
Currently, rumour is that PH2 will contain possibly three different controllers:
Sorcerer Arcane Controller (Confirmed)
Druid Primal Controller (Speculated)
Invoker :cry: Divine Controller (Speculated)
I'm not sure if or how this may change your plans. Obviously, it could still be inaccurate, and you still have final say in your own game at home.
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5 years ago ::
Nov 11, 2008 - 5:56PM
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Nope, I still don't believe it. I don't want to believe it. I liked "Inquisitor" and "Theurge".
There's better names that could have been picked than "Avenger" and "Invoker". "Invoker" is too much like "Evocation" (Primal powers) for me, and "Avenger" was the name of a Druidic (read: Primal) variant class in 3E, not to mention that there's already an "Angelic Avenger" (Cleric Paragon Path) for "Avenger" to get confused with.
I'm still crossing my fingers on this one.
EDIT: FWIW, it's "Avenger" that really bugs me. I could handle "Invoker" as a Divine Controller.
I agree with you completely. Avenger is a horrible class name. However it appears that we are stuck with it. Although I personally never liked Theruge. I was personally sort of hoping for Inquisitor(stiker) and Templar(controller).
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5 years ago ::
Nov 11, 2008 - 6:21PM
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Date Joined:
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...It's not about grid-filling...
...It seems a little unbalanced...
You don't think those statements contradict each other? :P
Because I most definitely think they do. There is no problem with having two arcane controllers. That's like saying there's a problems with having two martial strikers.
I think I might house-rule Sorcerers as Primal, unless there is a mechanical reason for them to remain Arcane.
There shouldn't be any mechanical reason to, no, but why make Sorcerer Primal? That makes no sense. Their powers don't come from nature. Their power comes from the arcane blood they've inherited from their arcane ancestors (Dragons, Elementals, Fey, Genies, and so on...).
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5 years ago ::
Nov 11, 2008 - 7:07PM
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I like Templar better than Avenger as well, but then I liked Marshall better than Warlord
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5 years ago ::
Nov 11, 2008 - 7:18PM
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I like Templar better than Avenger as well, but then I liked Marshall better than Warlord
Yep, this keeps reminding me of the polls we'd see a year ago: "What do you think of the name 'Warlord'?"
I still don't like the name "Avenger". :P
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5 years ago ::
Nov 11, 2008 - 7:20PM
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I still don't like the name "Avenger". :P
but its been my favorite comic for decades
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5 years ago ::
Nov 11, 2008 - 7:23PM
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but its been my favorite comic for decades
lol It's fine for a comic name. It's got too much baggage to be a class name, I think.
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5 years ago ::
Nov 11, 2008 - 8:49PM
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I fully expect at least 3 different people at my store will try to make avengers named sasuke..... 
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5 years ago ::
Nov 11, 2008 - 9:42PM
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Not to get technical, it does confirm there's a class called the avenger, but it doesn't necessarily confirm there's a class called the avenger in the PHBII. But that's also the case with the Invoker, Warden and Shaman.
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5 years ago ::
Nov 11, 2008 - 9:59PM
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avenger makes me think of cyrean avenger from 3.5... so it could be eberron.
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