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5 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2008 - 1:48PM
#251
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I just wanted to throw out another possible class name. I feel like someone may have already thrown this one out way back but I could not find any references. possible "I": Incanter = divine controller (referencing the MM pg 102; Eladrin Twilight Incanter: a controller with a radiant powered ability that blinds all in a close blast.) Incanter is later used as a Yuan-ti that is very different (so, who knows?) I combed through a bunch of the MM last night for more ideas but no others yet. I like "witch". The shadar-kai witch is also a controller suggesting that the authors may think of witches as candidates for a primal controller. Witch-doctor may be too much overlap with the Shaman as I think of totems for both of them. Interestingly, the cyclops storm shaman is kind of a primal striker who uses weather powers. hmmm... I have never been happy with inquisitor or theurge as names but if thats what they choose, I am sure that they will grow on me. Keep the posts coming, this is a favorite thread thanks to people like Ranadiel 
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5 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2008 - 7:40PM
#252
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- 'New Defender' (Primal Defender) Working name: Warden
- Barbarian (Primal Striker)
- Shaman (Primal Leader)
- Druid (Primal Controller)
- Bard (Arcane Leader)
- Sorcerer (Arcane Controller)
- 'Different/Dangerous Striker guy' (Divine Striker) Working name: Inquisitor
- 'Spellcaster Cleric' (Divine Controller) Working name: Theurge
Looks pretty good to me. Wild-something could be a Primal Defender as well, and Incanter might work for either of the Divine roles, as posters above have suggested.
Any thoughts as to whether there is balance as far as key ability scores? Counting up as listed in the first PHB, we get 6 Str, 2 Con, 4 Dex, 3 Int, 5 Wis, 5 Cha. The fighter is the only class with 4 key abilities, the rest have 3. Not perfectly balanced, but of course most melee is Str. I will guess based on the above list here:
"Warden" - Str, Wis, Dex?
Barbarian - Str, Con, Cha
Shaman - Str, Wis, Int?
Druid - Wis, Dex?, Str?
Bard - Dex, Cha, Int?
Sorceror - Int, Cha, Con?
"Inquisitor" - Str, Cha, Dex?
"Theurge" - Wis, Str, Cha?
That's 6 Str, 2 Con, 4 Dex, 3 Int, 4 Wis, 5 Cha, almost identical to the PHB 1, although I didn't plan it that way. The ? abilities I am least sure about, and of course no guarantees on the unclear classes. But I'm pretty sure on the unmarked guesses for the confirmed classes.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 16, 2008 - 8:15PM
#253
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As something to throw into the idea of getting all the stat focuses, we might want to consider a power source's focus. Martial seems to have Strength as its focus, where each of the classes as far as I recall can use Strength to one degree or another, same goes for Arcane with Intelligence. However, there is nothing to say whatsoever that any of that idea was intentional.
The two Divine classes we have both have Strength, Wisdom and Charisma, so we don't have enough to go off of, but Wisdom always seemed important in the old days, so I might guess that.
As for Primal, I was thinking maybe Wisdom as well, but that was mainly because what would fall under Primal now used to just be a subgroup of Divine. Trying to keep with the idea of the power source as a whole communing with spirits, Charisma might be an interesting way to put them.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 17, 2008 - 9:12AM
#254
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As something to throw into the idea of getting all the stat focuses, we might want to consider a power source's focus. Martial seems to have Strength as its focus, where each of the classes as far as I recall can use Strength to one degree or another, same goes for Arcane with Intelligence. However, there is nothing to say whatsoever that any of that idea was intentional.
The two Divine classes we have both have Strength, Wisdom and Charisma, so we don't have enough to go off of, but Wisdom always seemed important in the old days, so I might guess that.
As for Primal, I was thinking maybe Wisdom as well, but that was mainly because what would fall under Primal now used to just be a subgroup of Divine. Trying to keep with the idea of the power source as a whole communing with spirits, Charisma might be an interesting way to put them.
my first thought was charisma as the principal stat for the primal power source, but then i realized that charisma would make an excellent principal stat for the psionic power source. so, instead, i suggest constitution for primal power source (although, the barbarian uses strength as is pincipal stat).
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5 years ago ::
Oct 17, 2008 - 11:55AM
#255
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But you know who has me excited? The divine controller.
Now, I'm fairly certain that I'm going to open up the book and find that it's a fire and brimstone blaster type with a divine flavor. But I'm hopping, wishing, somewhere deep down, that he won't be. What if they made a controller...........that wasn't a blaster?
Because you know what I think of when I hear Divine Controller? Barriers. Wards. Banishments. The more leaderly kind of controller who projects walls of shear will, rejecting all that seek to intrude, or containing the foe in an enclosed circle. I see a controller who doesn't shape the battlefield by punishing enemies who group together, I see a controller who literally SHAPES the battlefield by saying "I'm going to put a ward here to enclose this circle, and these kobolds over here are going to be impeded by this wall here, and the BBEG is going to be trapped in this sphere of purity here, hang on, let me get some markers..."
This is a fantastic idea... you have me hyped about the divine controller now. I was curious what it would look like, but your idea has really set the cogwork in my mind turning.
I am also wondering how much of a "wild mage" the Sorcerer is going to be... :D
Gret thread, everyone!
C
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5 years ago ::
Oct 21, 2008 - 8:40AM
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my first thought was charisma as the principal stat for the primal power source, but then i realized that charisma would make an excellent principal stat for the psionic power source. so, instead, i suggest constitution for primal power source (although, the barbarian uses strength as is pincipal stat).
It doesn't have to be the primary attack stat for it to be the common element. Intelligence is secondary for warlocks, while Strength is secondary for some rogues and rangers.
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