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Maxperson wrote:

I agree. I already pointed out that bad DMs will often just say "6 weeks passes." without considering how completely absurd it is for that to happen in virtually ANY circumstance. There are a few oddball circumstances where this could occur, but mostly it will just be tossing good gameplay out this window.



As you wrote it there, yes it does You didn't say that "simply extending rest time, while at the same time putting the entire rest of the game on hold, in now way messes around with RAW.", so encounters can and probably will still happen while they are resting. The RAW don't stop the rest of the game from happening while rest occurs, so even during those 6 hours, an encounter can happen.

Lol, I never ever said to put the rest of the game on hold. You spend half of your posts arguing over something we agree on.

Anyway

Originally Posted by Maph View Post
The difference is that by just changing how long they have to actually rest you aren't screwing dangerously around with, what I believe is safe to assume, a very thought out, balanced, and essential mechanic to 4th Ed.

Right there^ The exact part of the post you quoted, and responded to with "Yes you are". In that post I was referring to Healing Surges, and how they function throughout the day, and the 6 day thing was only a suggestion to the OP who seemed to want longer rests for the adventurers.

Also I was being a little unclear. Although I'm familiar with it I'm not one to use the terms "crunch" or "fluff". I usually refer to them as "mechanics" and "environment". So if I say "mechanics" I'm probably talking about the RAW.

Azog wrote:

To the OP: You know what? Its your game, you can run it however you want. I can't believe people are getting on your case for wanting to tweak something that you don't like, whether you've got a year of using the system under your belt or not.

Do me a favor: understand you might like the system as written, that your initial modification may need to be tweaked once you have more data, and then come back in 6 months and let us know how it went.

I don't believe I want to eat human excrement, even if I have never tasted it before. Does that make me a bad person - knowing before I've tried something that it's not something I'd like? Sheesh.

Well, I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm just trying to help the guy achieve what he wants without the possible disasters that could accompany such a drastic change.

Also, I think humans have a natural tendency to not consume anything that comes from their body. Be it excrement, sweat, or hair.

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1029902

Use that. It's simple and isn't all that drastic if your players are smart about spending some downtime healing between adventures.

My computer dies over the weekend and whole hell breaks lose here :D

I must say this topic has become a big mess and it is OFF TOPIC most of the time.
Most of the time I cannot say if someone if replying to me or to some other poster. Also I see lots of people missed my post on page 2 where I asked for people to not comment if this house rule is needed or not and similar posts because we spend one and a half page on that already and nothing new can come out anymore.

I just wanted people to look at my house rule and help me decide on the exact numbers to get what I wanted: 2 tough encounters per day (+ more weak/easy ones).

I did not come to propose a change to the rules of 4E or discuss if most people would rest after each encounter and how I would slow the game for my players. Believe it or not but I know better what my players like or do not like, and how they play. They are not this "most of players" or whatever, they are "they".

Also I do not want a more realistic HP system, please stop proposing to me to use the wounds system, I have already responded with my experiences with such a system (both in D&D and old d20 SW).

And if anyone wants to discuss if the current 4e HP system is perfect or not, please open a thread for that.

Tnx.

Thanks to EdPovi for staying ON TOPIC and giving useful advice. I like your 2nd option, I just might implement that one. And if I use that, I can then maybe not change the cleric healing to work without HS. Hmm...

ironvyper wrote:

where are these years of imaginary playtesting?

You migth want to talk to ...

Aaron Moronez, Aaron Schrader, Aaron Slotness, Adam Colby, Adam Sweitzer, Adam Wojtowecz, Adrienne Mays, Alan Best, Albert Ward III, Alexander Kevin, Alexander Kiedrowicz, Algon Buechler, Allen Drees Jr., Amber Taylor, Andrew Bourne, Andrew D’Agostino, Andrew Finch, Andrew Garbade, Andrew Gately, Andrew Grimberg, Andrew Harasty, Andrew Miles, Andrew Moore, Andrew Watring, Andy Collins, Andy Lewis, Andy Reichert, Andy Scholman, Ann Troll, Arjen Laan, Arthur Doler, Barbara Cowman, Bard Lower, Bart Carroll, Bart Miller, Benjamin Harris, Benjamin Roberts, Benjamin Zimmermann, Benton Little, Bernardo Stokes, Bernd Mueller, Bill “Quill” McQuillan, Bill Benham, Bill Slavicsek, Bob Deas, Bob Rarik, Bobby Pearsall, Brad McWilliams, Brad Shugg, Brad Street, Brad Titus, Brandon Bozzi, Brandon Gehrke, BreeAnn Vosberg, Brenda Allen, Brent Michalski, Brett Stolle, Brian Benoit, Brian Booker, Brian Cortijo, Brian Farmer II, Brian Gilkison, Brian Gray, Brian Hon, Brian Jenison, Brian Mackey, Brian Martin, Brian Schoner, Bricio Rodriguez, Bruce Cordell, Bruce Jacobs, Bruce Story, Bryan Flores, Bryan Leclair, Bryant Kingry, Cal Moore, Cameron Curtis, Cameron Logan, Candy Tran, Cara Franks, Carter Wyatt, Cary Bishop, Cary Suter, Casey Hoch, Cassie Crawford, Cedric Atizado, Chad Swenson, Charles Allen, Charles Arnett, Charles Hickey, Charles Lang, Charles Speece, Charles Wartsbaugh, Chef Jannuzzi, Chet Silvers, Chisa Puckett, Chris Ballowe, Chris Corbett, Chris Gardiner, Chris Hernandez, Chris Kiritz, Chris Salter, Chris Sims, Chris Tulach, Chris Vinje, Chris Wakelin, Chris Westemeier, Chris Wilkes, Chris Youngs, Christen Sowards, Christian Alipounarian, Christian Busch, Christian Chaney, Christopher Dolunt, Christopher Groves, Christopher Hoffman, Christopher Humphries, Christopher Lindsay, Christopher Pasold, Christopher Perkins, Christopher Sparke, Christopher Ward, Christopher Wright, Chuck Arnett, Cody Judkins-Murphey, Colin Moulder-McComb, Colleen Simpson, Colton Hoerner, Conall O’Brien, Cormac Russel, Corwin Avy, Cory Brosnan, Cory Hughes, Courtney Stevenson, Craig Campbell, Craig Wright, Creighton Broadhurst, Crystal Babcock, Curt Gould, Curt Johann Steckhan, Curtis Rueden, Dagobten Wolde, Damon Bishop, Daneen McDermott, Daniel Canper, Daniel Checchi, Daniel Sanford, Darin Briskman, Darrel Dunning, Darrell Impey, Darren Martin, Dave Russell, David Blackwell, David Christ, David Ferrell, David Guerrieri, David Kerscher, David LaMacchia, David Liliefeldt, David Napack, David Nikdol, David Noonan, David Pogue, David Smith, David Williams, David Yale, Dennis Worrell, Derek Fails, Derek Neff, Derek Schubert, Devin Low, Didier Monin, Dimas Jimenez, Dominic Hamer, Don Early, Don Frazier, Donovan Hicks, Doug Gewin, Doug La Vigne, Doug Wheeler, Ed Podsiad, Ed Stark, Edward Grant, Edward Morrow, Edward Neighbour, Elizabeth Decker, Elizabeth Merwin, Elliot Parkhurst, Eric Boughton, Eric Brittain, Eric Burk, Eric Cline, Eric Haddock, Eric Heath, Eric Kjellman, Eric Menge, Eric Moore, Erich Borchardt, Erin M. 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Special Thanks to Chris Tulach.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dn … /20080509a

I would think they would say they spent quite a bit of time playtesting the system.