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Apr 23, 2008 - 3:40PM
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Thanks for the information! I'll be updating the Classes FAQ based on this. You don't know how much you have helped!
Ok, multiclassing is done entirely through feats. You take one feat to multiclass and gain a power from that class, and then take additional feats to take more powers from the class.
Makes sense, though a little bit of a letdown, somehow.
Rituals are obtained by buying ritual scrolls or ritual books. Ritual scrolls are consumed after one use, books teach the ritual to you permanently. All rituals seem to have a casting time of at least 10 minutes, require a material component, and require the use of the ritual casting feat (which wizards and clerics get for free at 1st level) Most of the divination spells in 3.5 are now rituals as well as some of the old illusion spells.
Excellent on all points!
Each class has about 15 or so pages written about it which includes powers and paragon paths. It's possible to make characters that don't fall into their presupposed role, but you have to multiclass to do it (you'll need defender powers from fighter to be an effective rogue defender, etc.)
There are no subrace rules (drow, gold dwarf, etc.) in the PHB.
As expected.
There are approximately 3 times the amount of feats in the 4e PHB as the 3.5 PHB.
The DMG is all about how to run a game. There is no reason at all for a player to have one.
Sounds delicious!
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5 years ago ::
Apr 23, 2008 - 3:49PM
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Nope.
Basic Dragons are in the MM. Stat blocks for smaller White and Black varieties have already been seen.
Draconomicon is supposed to expand upon the MM entries and add new Dragons to the mix including Purple and Adamantine (I think).
Clarification: They said the 5 iconic Chromatics (black/red/blue/green/white) would be in the MM1, while the Draconomicon would add the 3 iconic + 2 new Metallics (gold/silver/iron/copper/adamantine) plus new Chromatics (purple and...yellow?) and Metallics. If Tanus could double-check that, that'd be great.
My favorite part is the campaign settings. Dark Sun FTW!
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5 years ago ::
Apr 23, 2008 - 4:29PM
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Clarification: They said the 5 iconic Chromatics (black/red/blue/green/white) would be in the MM1, while the Draconomicon would add the 3 iconic + 2 new Metallics (gold/silver/iron/copper/adamantine) plus new Chromatics (purple and...yellow?) and Metallics. If Tanus could double-check that, that'd be great.
Where did you hear that the metallics are going to be in the first Draconomicon book? My understanding is that the metallics are going to be in the second MM and that they are going to get their own Draconomicon (seeing as how the full title of the first one is Draconomicon I: Chromatic Dragons). We're getting three new chromatic dragons - purple, brown, and grey - so it stands to reason that we'd get three new metallics in the second Draconomicon, although to be honest, we'll probably only get one new dragon as the other two will undoubtedly be the bronze and the brass.
That being said, I wonder if Tanus can tell us whether or not he saw any metallics in the first MM ... Massawyrm said in his review that they weren't in there, but WotC keeps saying that every single Desert of Desolation mini is in the first 4e MM, and that set includes a copper dragon, which suggests that there's at least one metallic in there.
Regarding multiclassing - I wonder if it really is one feat = one power, or whether it'll be more like how SWSE does it with stuff like the Force Training (where you get 1 + WIS modifier force powers). That would be kind of nice ... you take the Multiclassing Feat and get powers equal to 1 + the modifier for the most relevant ability to that class.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 23, 2008 - 4:29PM
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It makes sense that you multi-class via feats to pick other classes' powers. Since everyone shares the same progression, the bulk of what makes the classes unique now are the powers. (Minus class abilities, builds, PP, and ED.)
Anyway, it sounds very useful and wildly flexible. Let's hope it works out well.
Cheers
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5 years ago ::
Apr 23, 2008 - 4:33PM
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- Stampeding Hybrid
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Rituals are obtained by buying ritual scrolls or ritual books. Ritual scrolls are consumed after one use, books teach the ritual to you permanantly. All rituals seem to have a casting time of at least 10 minutes, require a material component, and require the use of the ritual casting feat (which wizards and clerics get for free at 1st level) Most of the divination spells in 3.5 are now rituals as well as some of the old illusion spells.
Just for clarification, do you happen to remember the pre-reqs for the ritual casting feat? Mostly I'm curious if a non-multiclassed fighter(or I guess any Martial character) is able to take it or if you need some training in a magic based class to get it.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 23, 2008 - 4:58PM
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Just for clarification, do you happen to remember the pre-reqs for the ritual casting feat? Mostly I'm curious if a non-multiclassed fighter(or I guess any Martial character) is able to take it or if you need some training in a magic based class to get it.
Well, in the 3.5 Unearthed Arcana, one did not necessarily be a spellcaster in order to use Incantations, just meet the normal prerequisites. That being said, I do think that a martial character prancing arround in a chalk circle with feathers in hand in an attempt use a ritual would not only be amusing, but compelling. I would really be OK if the prerequisites were not too steep for that feat.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 23, 2008 - 5:01PM
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Tanus, if you are still able to check out 4e things, would you take a look at how PC's go about obtaining templates (like Lich, Werewolf, exarch?, etc.)?
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5 years ago ::
Apr 23, 2008 - 5:03PM
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WotC keeps saying that every single Desert of Desolation mini is in the first 4e MM, and that set includes a copper dragon, which suggests that there's at least one metallic in there.
Actually, WotC said that every single mini is in the 4e MM, except for one.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 23, 2008 - 5:19PM
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Actually, WotC said that every single mini is in the 4e MM, except for one.
I am aware of that. However, they have since said that they will all be in the MM.
See here:
And remember, all Desert of Desolation creatures will appear in the 4th edition D&D Monster Manual, and you'll be able to download their updated stats for the new D&D Miniatures rules in January 2008![/quote]
Emphasis mine.
It's entirely possible they forgot about the "all but one" part. Or maybe they even meant to say that all those creatures will appear in 4e Monster Manuals plural ... If you take the above quote as the truth, though, then it means there will be, or there was going to be at some point, at least one metallic dragon - the copper - in the first MM.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 23, 2008 - 5:41PM
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Where did you hear that the metallics are going to be in the first Draconomicon book? My understanding is that the metallics are going to be in the second MM and that they are going to get their own Draconomicon (seeing as how the full title of the first one is Draconomicon I: Chromatic Dragons). We're getting three new chromatic dragons - purple, brown, and grey - so it stands to reason that we'd get three new metallics in the second Draconomicon, although to be honest, we'll probably only get one new dragon as the other two will undoubtedly be the bronze and the brass.
A while back the devs said the chromatics would be in the MM1 and the metallics would be in "the next book," which I took to mean the Draconomicon. In retrospect, given the subtitle I suppose it's unlikely for the metallics to show up there, and that they meant the second MM.
However, the devs have said that PHB2 will have some Martial, Arcane, and/or Divine "leftovers" from PHB1, even though PHB2 will technically have all completely new sources, so it's not impossible that some chromatic/metallic mixing in the first Draconomicon could go on.
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