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Ztyx wrote:

Easily fixed by houseruling it to some limit, but in a way full healing is the "easiest" and "fairest" way to rule it, but giving back 25% of max (or one healing surge if at max) is a way to make downtime last longer, if you want people to still pull out of dungeons for some R&R when they are halfway through.

The rule of fully healing when you rest for 6 hours just comes from the fact that the players will have enough healing surges to do that 2 to 4 times. Meaning that the downtime would never be longer than a day anyway, you'd just have to go through one day with 3 fewer HS.

The extended rest rule simplifies that by just letting you do it without HS.

I think Healing Surges are a great mechanic. I'm soon to DM a 7 player 6th level characters, Dungeon Crawl. The DC will take place over a single day, and I do not want the players to rest at all. This has resulted in a lot of "Wands of Cure Light Wounds." Which is fine. But I would rather they had a mechanic like "Healing Surges" automatically so that the players did not have to spend so much of their gold on wands.

I think that fluff wise the Healing Surge will just require some caution on the role of the DM when describing wounds. Though this is the same principle as in a film. Watch LOTR when Aragorn fights, particular Fellowship, Amon Hen. You can almost see the Healing Surges, and the Second Wind is particularly clear during the final fight with Lurtz

Most elaborate action-film fight sequences (not involving guns) cause us to suspend our disbelief. Imagine if Bruce Lee in Enter the Dragon hadn't had Healing Surges? Would have been very embarassing if after each fight he'd have had to sleep for 8 hours

Some people don't enjoy this style of unrealistic combat, and that's fine. But personally the reason I play D&D isn't for the Cyberpunk "You're shot, you're screwed" element. I enjoy heroics, and its not easy to be heroic if you either have to sleep repeatedly or turn the Cleric into a Cure Light Wounds pez dispenser.

I mainly DM and I am greatly looking forward to being able to plan multiple encounters for the same day, without checking that the players have enough wands or potions in order to not die after the second combat.

I wonder if the developers have a rule for what happens to things like 'healing surge' and daily power recovery, if players are disturbed part way through their '6 hour rest'?


I mean, attacks in the 'middle' of the night are a common event in DnD and it would be interesting on how this would be reflected for a group that had waited till they were 'sucking on fumes' to rest and given an encounter when they 'rested for the day'.


Without some sort of rule or guideline for this situation then you could have plenty of arguements on to 'how rested' for hit points, healing surges, daily powers, and other things that players had.

On the other hand, I would not want the 'if you rest for a day then you have everything back if you are disturbed part way through your rest'. That type of ruling is begging for players to abuse as they declare a 'rest for the day' next to something that will be bound to disturb them a few minutes later.

TempestBlade24 wrote:

Personally as a DM if I were intending the players to be attacked in the middle of the night I would give the players half healing, their encounter powers back, but no daily powers.

Sounds pretty fair. Just like a five-minute rest, but with some healing added. Or perhaps refresh the AP and the dailies first, but not the hp? Or just treat it as a failed rest (but deduct rest used from the time needed to get six hours, so they don't need more rest just because they were interrupted)

So it's not a "healing" surge so much as it is a burst of adrenaline, or something like that?