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5 years ago ::
Mar 11, 2008 - 11:17AM
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I have a feeling that after its release, it'll soon be difficult to find a D&D game that isn't running 4th edition. And that's a good thing. I don't think the switch will happen because we are all good little sheeple following our Overlords Of The Coast wherever they may lead. I don't think it'll happen because of pure neotism (that is, love of new things purely for the sake of their newness). Rather, I think the change will happen because of the improvements that are only visible from behind the screen. As Rodney Thompson discussed in his blog, and based on what I've heard from literally every review by a DM, the real changes didn't happen for the players, but in making it so much faster and easier to design and run a campaign. So I think most players will switch, not because of their own opinions, but because the DMs will begin to resist running 3.x games, and it will become increasingly difficult to players to find a DM who will give up the Corvette for the Hyundai.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 11, 2008 - 11:32AM
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I would drive a Japanese car any day over an american one.
I dont want a fast and easy system. I want one that works and so far 4e doesnt work for my DM style, neither does 3.5 really but I've made the changes I need to it. That might not be as easy with 4e.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 11, 2008 - 11:36AM
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I have a feeling that after its release, it'll soon be difficult to find a D&D game that isn't running 4th edition. And that's a good thing.
I don't think the switch will happen because we are all good little sheeple following our Overlords Of The Coast wherever they may lead. I don't think it'll happen because of pure neotism (that is, love of new things purely for the sake of their newness).
Rather, I think the change will happen because of the improvements that are only visible from behind the screen. As Rodney Thompson discussed in his blog, and based on what I've heard from literally every review by a DM, the real changes didn't happen for the players, but in making it so much faster and easier to design and run a campaign. So I think most players will switch, not because of their own opinions, but because the DMs will begin to resist running 3.x games, and it will become increasingly difficult to players to find a DM who will give up the Corvette for the Hyundai.
Unless they made changes, the Corvette still sucks at gas mileage to be a viable car.
Incidentally, I already made this entire argument on another thread.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 11, 2008 - 11:46AM
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Im not sure how often everyone else on here switches DM and playing groups, but I havent really ever left my original group. I play with a few friends not in the main group every so often on off days for my home group, but pretty much its been the same core group since the beginning.
That being said, our group will play 4e if it is good, and if its not, we wont. having to find a DM to run 4e is not an issue, and finding materials is not an issue. (look for materials for the previous editions of D&D. They are still in good supply). I think that many folks will continue to play 3.5 because they want to.
Now at cons and gamedays? Who knows, but I can guess that WotC will try and drive older editions out of those events, by offering incentives to players and retailers who make those events happen. But that is the way of marketing.
Hell even in 4e is the cats meow of gaming, my group will still likely play 2AD , and 3.5 alongside it. If the DM mechanics are as you say, the corvette of gaming, then it will have earned a place at the table. But to be honest, its not wether its easy to run that makes or breaks a game (IMO), its the fun factor, and that varies from group to group.
be good.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 11, 2008 - 11:49AM
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Now at cons and gamedays? Who knows, but I can guess that WotC will try and drive older editions out of those events, by offering incentives to players and retailers who make those events happen. But that is the way of marketing.
Living Greyhawk and Xen'Drik Expeditions are both seeing their finale's at Origins this year.
At GenCon the RPGA will be running all 4th Edition LFR stuff.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 11, 2008 - 11:54AM
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I would drive a Japanese car any day over an american one.
I dont want a fast and easy system. I want one that works and so far 4e doesnt work for my DM style, neither does 3.5 really but I've made the changes I need to it. That might not be as easy with 4e.
Onegai o-hime, I ask of you to wait and read the 4E DMG before you finalize that decision.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 11, 2008 - 12:10PM
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I have a feeling that after its release, it'll soon be difficult to find a D&D game that isn't running 4th edition. And that's a good thing.
When playing 1e and 2e came out, we blended the two.
When 3.5e came out, I played only 3.5e with no 2e or 1e remaining.
I don't think it is fair to say that the majority of people will play 4e with no blend of 3.5e mixed together. I don't even think it is fair to say that all will even play 3.5e mixed with 4e.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 11, 2008 - 12:33PM
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I think people will do what they want to do and play what they want to play.
Go where they want to go, and say what they want to say.
If people move on, they move on, if they don't, they don't. Everyone will find something to like and hate about everything.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 11, 2008 - 12:47PM
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if the head goes, the body goes. DM's will ultimately bring along their pc's. although if the groups are a bit more diverse and have many DM's and strong opinions, there might be divides.
personally i think it shouldn't be too hard to convince them. i agree completely with what Rodney says in that blogpost, 4E seems to be the DM's wet dream.
The question is, will players who like to create advanced builds and kick posterior, enjoy the new, somewhat thinner, rules? hopefully will the base classes have enough differences that people can try the different types out enough times to find interesting combinations. hopefully the game will be transparent enough that i as a DM can quickly make new options like races and prestige classes if the need arises.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 11, 2008 - 2:24PM
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Some time after 4e's release (a year to 18 months, maybe) sticking with 3.5 will require a level of commitment and dedication that most players don't have.
Not that 4e players won't be committed and dedicated, but they'll have the luxury of being able to rock on up to their gaming store and buy the latest & greatest 4e supplements. The content on the Wizards site will be geared towards them. Also, they'll always have new material to look forward to. 3.5 players will have to trawl through secondhand sections and eBay for material, which will never be added to, unless some third party companies do so.
Of course, there will be groups who are happy to keep playing 3.5 despite any inconvenience from being left out of the loop. But those groups will find it harder to replace people who leave - most prospective new players will want 4e - and there's always the prospect of group members trying 4e and finding they prefer it. What's more likely, a 3.5 player trying 4e and liking it better, or a player whose first introduction to D&D was via 4e being introduced to 3.5 and liking that system better? In my opinion, the first is more likely, in spades.
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