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5 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2008 - 6:57AM #191
Kursk
Date Joined: Mar 11, 2003
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Leilond wrote:

Economically pheraps, military for sure... but culturally... come on, be serious


?? The US culture is predominate. No one can argue that. McDonald's, coke, US movies, language. I could spend all day listing it. I'm not saying people like it. It just is a fact. I don't see many El Corte Inglés stores outside Spain...

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2008 - 7:07AM #192
Leilond
Date Joined: Mar 1, 2006
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Kursk wrote:

?? The US culture is predominate. No one can argue that. McDonald's, coke, US movies, language. I could spend all day listing it. I'm not saying people like it. It just is a fact. I don't see many El Corte Inglés stores outside Spain...


Ok, you call it culture... if you prefer
U.S. can put McDonald's every where in the world... but "culture" is more than restarurants... U.S. impose is commercial things (movies, drinks, restaurant, language), but the U.S. culture is refused by everyone all over the world.
Culture is belives, hopes, feelings, faith... You're talking about economical domination... cultural domination is something else... the problem is that sometimes U.S. people things that their economy is their culture

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2008 - 7:16AM #193
Kursk
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Leilond wrote:

Ok, you call it culture... if you prefer
U.S. can put McDonald's every where in the world... but "culture" is more than restarurants... U.S. impose is commercial things (movies, drinks, restaurant, language), but the U.S. culture is refused by everyone all over the world.


Yes, it is so "refused" that I have to wait 30 minutes in line at McDonalds in Madrid at 9 p.m. Like I said, you don't have to like US culture. Obviously, many people in other countries do like it.

Impose? So, McDonald's hires police in other countries to drive in customers at gun point? The U.S. orders French citizens to listen to our music to the point that laws are passed there limiting on-air playing of our artists?

At some point it won't be an Anglo-American world. But it is right now. Asia is probably the next in line. At one point is was Spain. Don't worry, it won't last forever.

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2008 - 9:08AM #194
Leilond
Date Joined: Mar 1, 2006
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Kursk wrote:

Yes, it is so "refused" that I have to wait 30 minutes in line at McDonalds in Madrid at 9 p.m. Like I said, you don't have to like US culture. Obviously, many people in other countries do like it.

Impose? So, McDonald's hires police in other countries to drive in customers at gun point? The U.S. orders French citizens to listen to our music to the point that laws are passed there limiting on-air playing of our artists?

At some point it won't be an Anglo-American world. But it is right now. Asia is probably the next in line. At one point is was Spain. Don't worry, it won't last forever.


If you call this "culture"... well that's your choice

P.S.
I'm not Spanish... and I don't want that my culture "dominate" anything... I prefer to learn because there's always more to learn than to teach

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2008 - 9:11AM #195
Kursk
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Leilond wrote:

If you call this "culture"... well that's your choice

P.S.
I'm not Spanish... and I don't want that my culture "dominate" anything... I prefer to learn because there's always more to learn than to teach


"a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period: Greek culture."

Not my choice. Just a fact.

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2008 - 9:27AM #196
triqui
Date Joined: Aug 9, 2004
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Kursk wrote:

Apples and oranges. Spain has an economy about the size of Los Angeles county. It's a tiny economy. The U.S. dominates the world culturally. Eventually it will change, but slowly. And BTW, it takes more brain power to figure out everything in Imperial/US than decimal based S.I. so maybe whoever has difficulty has the int deficiency...


Spain is the 8th largest economy in the world, mind you That speaks loudly about your knowledge of the world outside of USA, and explains your stubborness about changing into the SI (something your Congress already signed for about 20-30 years ago, AFAI). Typical "if it is outside USA it is not worth it". Plus not only spain made the change. Germany, France, England, Japan.... as well as Ethiopy and Boutan, every single country beyond UK and their former colonies were able to learn metres, kilos and litres.

Beyond that, using imperial measures as a "proof" of US cultural dominance (which i wont discuss in the junk food et al) is kinda moron. It's not like 90% of the world use US imperial system and the other 10% use the french-invented SI system, do they?


PS: you dont see a lot of El Corte Ingles outside of Spain, mainly becouse it is not a big spanish company. Try to check Banco de santander (worlds largest bank in number of offices) or Inditex (second largest company in the textiles and shoes production) instead.

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2008 - 10:37AM #197
Kursk
Date Joined: Mar 11, 2003
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triqui wrote:

Spain is the 8th largest economy in the world, mind you That speaks loudly about your knowledge of the world outside of USA, and explains your stubborness about changing into the SI (something your Congress already signed for about 20-30 years ago, AFAI). Typical "if it is outside USA it is not worth it". Plus not only spain made the change. Germany, France, England, Japan.... as well as Ethiopy and Boutan, every single country beyond UK and their former colonies were able to learn metres, kilos and litres.

Beyond that, using imperial measures as a "proof" of US cultural dominance (which i wont discuss in the junk food et al) is kinda moron. It's not like 90% of the world use US imperial system and the other 10% use the french-invented SI system, do they?


PS: you dont see a lot of El Corte Ingles outside of Spain, mainly becouse it is not a big spanish company. Try to check Banco de santander (worlds largest bank in number of offices) or Inditex (second largest company in the textiles and shoes production) instead.


You are missing the point. That the US is still using the old imperial system doesn't prove the fact that the US is the dominant cultural force on the planet. It is a byproduct of that dominance.

As far as my knowledge of the world outside the US you are perhaps mistaken. I have worked extensively outside the US and personally with very highly placed foreign gov't officials on how to gain access to the US market.

BTW - El Corte Ingles is the largest retailer of its type in Spain...

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2008 - 10:52AM #198
Aliquid
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Kursk wrote:

Yes, it is so "refused" that I have to wait 30 minutes in line at McDonalds in Madrid at 9 p.m. Like I said, you don't have to like US culture. Obviously, many people in other countries do like it.


Chances are that the majority of people in line at McDonalds in Mardrid are tourists like you....

But more to the point, "American" culture like McDonalds only exists in the major metropolitan areas (like Madrid). If you go to any of the villages or even larger towns you will not see any American stores.

Impose? So, McDonald's hires police in other countries to drive in customers at gun point? The U.S. orders French citizens to listen to our music to the point that laws are passed there limiting on-air playing of our artists?


It is still imposed if it isn't forced through threat of violence. The imposition is far more subtle than that.

At some point it won't be an Anglo-American world. But it is right now. Asia is probably the next in line. At one point is was Spain. Don't worry, it won't last forever.


Americans are not as influential or as popular as they think they are. It is true that the US is currently the most influential country in the world, I won't argue that, but the level of influence is nowhere near as large as Americans assume.

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2008 - 10:57AM #199
Erato
Date Joined: Oct 14, 2006
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Kursk wrote:


I tried to not interfere, but seriously The US use a less practical system, because choosing not to deal with the extra trouble, is an indication of int deficiency? Talk about overcompensating

And btw, I don't see many Wall-Marts in Europe :P

Could we try to dampen the nationalism a bit?

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 19, 2008 - 11:16AM #200
Kursk
Date Joined: Mar 11, 2003
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Erato wrote:

I tried to not interfere, but seriously The US use a less practical system, because choosing not to deal with the extra trouble, is an indication of int deficiency? Talk about overcompensating


It is less practical. The only reason the US has been able to keep such a system is because of its dominance. That will end one day. Has nothing to do with nationalism just what the facts are. Rome ruled, Spain was at one point dominant, UK was the largest influence in the 19th and early 20th century, now the US. Who knows who will be next.

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