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6 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2007 - 12:57PM
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When you say "we don't expect the rest of the world to convert to the imperial system" you do realize that the US was one of the seventeen original signatory nations of the Convention du Mètre in 1875? The SI (a.k.a the metric system) is the international standard governed by ISO. Just for kicks, I decided I'd throw this little bit in here as well: "In 1958 the United States and countries of the Commonwealth of Nations defined the length of the international yard to be 0.9144 metres. Consequently, the international foot is defined to be equal to 0.3048 metres (equivalent to 304.8 millimetres).
The international standard symbol for a foot is "ft" (see ISO 31-1, Annex A). In some cases, the foot is denoted by a prime, which is often approximated by an apostrophe, and the inch by a double prime. For example, 5 feet 2 inches is denoted by 5′2″. This use can cause confusion, because the prime and double prime are also international standard symbols for arcminutes and arcseconds."
Case in point: it's also conveniently defined by the ISO, making it an accepted international standard of measurement.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2007 - 12:59PM
#42
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I seem to recall reading somewhere that non-English versions of 3.X use metric units, but I've never seen a copy myself. Unfortunately for the majority of the planet's population, though, I've seen no sign that 4E will renounce the American predilection for imperial units in the English text. Russian PHB (the only book we have in Russian ) uses imperial system and has a quick conversion table. That's fine for me. Fantasy characters should be talking in feets and miles, save kilometers and meters for Sci-fi.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2007 - 12:59PM
#43
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;13712334']Why the rest of the world use the metric system?
Because it isn't based on a King's feet or thumb. It's cientific. It's scientific. Anyway, that aside, it(the "foot") has since been standardized and defined as, yes, 12 inches. While the roots may have been based on the situations you described, it is no longer a measure of such. Any corresponding values there now would be coincidence.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2007 - 1:15PM
#44
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You can't define a "better" measurement system. Measurement systems are just relative definitions. No, but you can define a common measurement system. That is what Convention du Mètre did in 1875.
Now that I've offered my logic, offered the opposing logic, and refuted said opposing logic, please continue. Since I don't understand your logic and you don't seem to understand mine, I suppose we have to agree to disagree.
I stand by my conviction that SI is the international measurement system and even US products should to adopt it.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2007 - 1:18PM
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No, but you can define a common measurement system. That is what Convention du Mètre did in 1875.
Since I don't understand your logic and you don't seem to understand mine, I suppose we have to agree to disagree.
I stand by my conviction that SI is the international measurement system and even US products should to adopt it. See my above posts in regard to feet/inches/etc. being internationally adopted(thus constituting a common measurement).
As for agreeing to disagree, that is fine.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2007 - 1:50PM
#46
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See my above posts in regard to feet/inches/etc. being internationally adopted(thus constituting a common measurement).
As for agreeing to disagree, that is fine. The fact that the US and the UK (with its "Commonwealth") removed the difference between a number of imperial and US measurements does not constitute an international adaptation.
But disagree we surely do.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2007 - 5:00PM
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Having grown up around standard measurement only (ok imperial since it seems everyone is calling it that) I have a hard time grasping metric distances as you have with standard. But come on, I know im normally not too far off. Dealing with wieght and volume is a different story, but as long as we are just dealing with distance primarly it isnt too big a deal.
It doesnt really matter to me, I would prefer keeping it in standard but Ive played a couple games that use meters and didnt have any problems with it.
(Other then shaking my head at the fact that it used metric...)
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6 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2007 - 5:43PM
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A is probably the most likely choice, since its an American game and America is one of the 3 remaining countries in the world who has not officially gone over to metric yet(along with Liberia and Myanmar). Technically, America does officially use the metric system; the decision to switch was made in 1975, but only mandatory among government agencies. Conversion among the private sector was to occur on a volunteer basis. Private industry, in large part, decided to continue using imperial. Even though both metric and imperial are taught in schools, metric is typically left there as individuals begin their professional careers.
Metric is the system of measurement used by American scientists, doctors, engineers, and other professionals that might have to work with individuals in other countries. However, this is more to communicate effectively with their colleagues that it is to comply with the change in standard.
As far as my personal opinion on the subject, count me as one more American in favor of the metric system for D&D.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2007 - 6:05PM
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Hmm, I'm from Denmark and we use the metric system here, but as for what system to use in D&D, then I couldn't care much less than I do. It's really not that hard for me to convert from feet/pounds to meters/kilograms. When I play I don't even really think about the unit that's being used and if I have to think about it, in game, then I just go ~3 feet is ~1 meter and ~2 pounds ~1 kilogram.
I'd have to say, though, that I think it's more "fantasy" like to use feet and pounds. But to please both sides, then I don't see why both units couldn't be printed in the same book. Like some of you guys said, 1 square is X feet and Y meters. For the weigth, it really doesn't have to be that precise, does it? It's not science we're dealing with. It'd be perfectly alright for me to have it 1kg/2lb.
Just my thoughts on this question. Cheers :D
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6 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2007 - 6:28PM
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oldtimer & nox_noctis: hehe, figured someone would start arguing about the advantages of imperial and metric quite quickly, though i have to say it was a fair fight compared to many others i've seen on forums :P
imperial might be a standard recognized around the world, but its a bit like 2e vs 3e(or 3e vs 4e if you wish); theres so many things that have been streamlined and made easier in the newer versions that you really don't want to go back to the old stuff. Naturally someone will stick to the old stuff because they like the soul and feel of it, but the majority will move on.
Everyone should be able to understand peoples feelings about measurements that we might understand but not really have any experience with. It's a bit like knowing a curse-word in a foreign language, you can say it open in public and feel no effect out of it, but the people around you might have different opinions on it if they are more used to that language :p(hehe, one example i like. 'puta' would be 'The pillow' in my language. funny how things works now and then).
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