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Naszir wrote:

It doesn't seem right that a fighter could ignore those prerequisites. Makes no sense to have a fighter with a 11 STR and 10 CON running around in Full Plate. If you don't have the strength to carry the weight no amount of training is going to make you good at wearing heavy armor.

Doesn't matter how strong you are, metal hingings and thick leather only bends so much so fast. It's cumbersome, and even if you were hercules would put a damper on your movement. Hence Max Dex. Move any faster than that, and you're probably doing damage to your armor, especially if you're so strong. Besides, historically it was feasible for normal people to wear full plate, but they didn't do much other than wear it. That's why there's armor check; it's massive penalties incurred on Balance, Climb, Escape Artist, Hide, Jump, Move Silently, Sleight of Hand, and Tumble checks (double penalties for swim). If they aren't proficient, it applies to everything they do using Strength or Dex. Both numbers serve different purposes. MDB represents the inability to avoid hits while wearing cumbersome armor, ACP represents the inability to do everything else

Haldrik wrote:

Whats that word? .... "Magic".

Magic armor should bend, weigh less, and not hamper Dexterity.

And there are enchantments that do that... use them.

Ninju wrote:

Normally you dont bring real physics into fantasy games (or at least you shouldnt after all its a fantasy game)but, Ive worn actual battle armor before and while it does limit your movement to an extent it that guy that can do cartwheels using only one hand can probably still use cartwheels using one hand....the mechanic should be changed some. I would suggest something at least minutely detrimental...like a negative dex modifier for AC...idk also while armor does slow you down if you are truly proficient in it it will not hobble your movement like the current game mechanic does.

If you have high enough skill in tumble, you can still do that. Armor Check penalty for Full Plate is a -6. Max Dex Bonus only affects AC. A straight penalty to Dex should just be referenced as a reduction in armor bonus, it would simplify things. Any other skill checks possibly affected by armor is instead influenced by your Armor Check Penalty.

Ninju wrote:

Normally you dont bring real physics into fantasy games (or at least you shouldnt after all its a fantasy game)but, Ive worn actual battle armor before and while it does limit your movement to an extent it that guy that can do cartwheels using only one hand can probably still use cartwheels using one hand....the mechanic should be changed some. I would suggest something at least minutely detrimental...like a negative dex modifier for AC...idk also while armor does slow you down if you are truly proficient in it it will not hobble your movement like the current game mechanic does.

I'm not sure what the beef is about MDB. At worst it only makes it so you're as nimble as the average human. That's not really that bad is it? People seem to state how easy it is to do things in armour, but I say the rules reflect that accurately already.