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6 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2007 - 6:22PM
#1801
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Date Joined:
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" Well, there are some people in this world that haven't surrendered their souls to MMORPGs "
*sighs*
What I am advocating is about as different from BOTH tabletop roleplaying AND Wow-style MMORPGs as airplanes are from bikes and boats.
You are a roleplayer. You are supposed to be imaginative. Holy poo, you are acting like the hezbolla as if I come to sell them "girls gone wild" video's.
I will try one more time.
Imagine a small device, about twice as big as a calculator. It is lightweight, it costs less than 100$, it has a large touch screen and it is robust enough to drop and still work. It is about as common as your current phone. It will be quite common in 2012. The (touch-)screen is a high resolution display with more detail than your current monitor. It holds more memory than a room full of your current PC's. Its flash-like memory starts up in 0.3 seconds. You can phone with it, shoot almost limitless highresolution video with it. It talks to you. You can load software in it almost arbitrarily.
Most extreme roleplaying-based application: You sit in a the roleplay section of your favorite cafe, with some 25 active players scattered about. A quick scan using your handheld tells you 17 of those 25 players are currently playing games you are playing, and 14 are currently with on-line characters in your D&D world who are not in privacy mode.
When you walk up to a preferred player you look at your screen and press a standard query icon on the screen. The screen displays the character in question, and some gossip you heard about the player in question. You query where the character is. The players character is currently in the galleries below the small Arena, negotiating with the ex gladiator now weaponsmith Bakhbar the Gray, argueing over quality longbow arrows. The player in question is a man in his 50s, rather massively built, with a ponytail painted green IRL. His character is a whispy red haired elf with extensive yakuza tattoos and an odd looking psi crystal and a dragonleather eyepatch set with small greenish gems.
You move your character through the busy alleyways surrounding the arena and move towards the character, at the same time ordering an espresso IRL and moving towards the player. Before you move to the player you have your character greet his character. As chance has it you were both part of the same raiding party that battled 3 months ago against VelHruk, a bloated slaad creature that was spreading an infective insanity. You remember that battle well as you had to be resurrected afterwards and you are still paying the local church of Pelor for that little slice of fun.
After your characters have exchanged greeting and a few scans (alignment, detect magic, detect poison, detect curse, possession you know, the standard scans) you IRL sit down, spilling some espresso on your jacket, while your character (a tall pale man in a tattered grey cloak, a web of silver goethic runes slowly ...moving... on the fabric) greets the elf. You then start negotiating. As its a PC your social skills wont have sway over the character, but each time you casually press "diplomacy" (which you have maxed out, plus racial and aptitude bonuses, as well as your psi-based diplomacy bonus) icon on your touch screen, each time your handheld device emits the blue-ray signals to your tablepartner's device and he sees a message scroll by "suggesting" appropriate roleplaying behaviour using subtle icons and phrases.
Then you have an intuition. So you press the icon for your psionics, all your psionic powers scroll down, and you activate one that pierces guises and deceptions. And lo and behold, you see an animation you never seen before, something strange and rather shocking - the redhead elf before you seems to be subject to some kind of strange possession you haven't seen before, one hidden the standard assortment of cursory scans ... apparently the slaad VelHruk still has some minions on this plane, as the emanation was evident. You seemed to have critted your scan!
Instantly you press the icon for the Raghar, your dreaded short scimitar (whose powers you do not yet fully know) and active a series of 4 firm psionic defenses. However your actions are far from subtle. Immediately two players in the cafe look alarmed at their handhelds, and immediately after that their gaze shifts to you two IRL
So *please* get of the paranoid bandwagon of militantly defending tabletop roleplaying. If you want to, nobody is stopping you. But aks yourself, what the heck are you affraid off? Is your identity and sense of selfworth tied up in the ritual act of getting together around that table? Affraid to evolve? Or you want to keep hiding there in that dark little room? Uhhhhhhhh, Uhhhhhhhhh. Yeaaahhh good luck with that. Someone pass the nachos.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2007 - 6:54PM
#1802
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Date Joined:
Jan 22, 2002
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Just to make me happy- other than the mechanics (spell points, basicly) why do folks like Psionics? Why not Magic that works on the same system? I mean, we KNOW that 4th ed Magic is not going to work like 3rd Ed Magic, right? Thus, it seems like the only think (other than fluff) Psionic lovers like is the pell-points like mechanics... which also nigh certainly will not be around in 4th Ed. It will nigh certainly be "At Will, Per Encounter and Per Day" just like Magic and will have similar if not identical effects. So WHY? Great question. I don't know the answer. They tend to clamor that psionics isn't sci-fi. Ok, lets go with that premise. What is it then except "a spell-point system that's better than the Unearthed Arcana one"? Certainly, Psionics has quite a few spells -- er, "psionic powers"' -- that are copies of existing spells. Plus many that aren't 'as spells except' still aren't exactly eye-opening, brand-spanking new mechanics (energy X comes immediately to mind).
So, that's why I mention that it seems those people asking for 4ed mechanics are just thinking inside a slightly larger box than 3.X core when it comes to the upcoming magic system. If the new 4ed magic system truly is that much better balanced, what's the point of psionics? It would have to divorce itself completely from the mechanics of the 4ed spellcasting system, and bring unique enough mechanics that it doesn't resemble the 4ed spellcasting mechanics.
Which brings us right back to 'if 4ed spellcasting is so much better balanced, is it even needed?
I honestly only said what I did in that quote you used because the designers have already said psionics will be in 4ed. It's just a little curious that nobody has been able to answer the question both of us are asking, which is 'Why bother?'
Here's what I put about this subject in my big initial Wish List post:
my initial comment on psionics
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Psionics There seems to be a lot of clamoring to include psionics in the 4ed PHB. I don’t get this even a little. Every time I read that, I can’t help but think that the people requesting it are just thinking inside a slightly larger box than 3.x; that of 3.5 edition plus expanded psionics handbook. If they’re totally revamping the magic/casting system from the ground up, why would anyone request that they include the ‘better of the two magic point systems 3ed has’. Wouldn’t you think that there would never be a need to do this at all if the magic system is built that much better right from the start?
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6 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2007 - 11:18PM
#1803
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Date Joined:
Mar 13, 2002
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6 years ago ::
Sep 20, 2007 - 12:45AM
#1804
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Date Joined:
Mar 20, 2001
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How would that help? It would still be a standard action, thus instead of casting a spell- any spell- they would be laying on hands. Because it would open up options. Sure, it is an action...but that's one less healing spell in the precious spell slots. Not quite sure how the mechanics of it would work, but for now I'm just throwing out ideas.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 20, 2007 - 9:53AM
#1805
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Date Joined:
Mar 13, 2002
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Because it would open up options. Sure, it is an action...but that's one less healing spell in the precious spell slots. . That would only allow the cleric more spells to cast on himself and such-like, thus increasing the dreaded "CoDZilla" potential.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 20, 2007 - 4:32PM
#1806
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Date Joined:
Jun 14, 2007
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Uhhhhhhhh, Uhhhhhhhhh. Yeaaahhh good luck with that. Someone pass the nachos. I LOVE YOU!! Oh, and Dagonweb, I don't know about these guys, but I get super ****** when someone is fiddling with their cell phone or iPod while ordering something or even walking in public. This '2012 Digital D&D (DDD haha)' is no exception. And how many people play D&D? Not 25 in every cafe, for sure.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 20, 2007 - 4:39PM
#1807
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Date Joined:
Jun 12, 2007
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I LOVE YOU!! Oh, and Dagonweb, I don't know about these guys, but I get super ****** when someone is fiddling with their cell phone or iPod while ordering something or even walking in public. This '2012 Digital D&D (DDD haha)' is no exception. And how many people play D&D? Not 25 in every cafe, for sure. Yah, my friend always has to pick up his cell phone, even when he is driving. I always wince a little when he starts thrashing about behind the wheel trying to dig the damned thing out of his pocket. He states that he is evidently less likely to have a car accident while on the phone because the last two accidents he was in he was not on the phone. The logic of that is so flawed it hurts.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 20, 2007 - 7:59PM
#1808
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Does anyone else think the art direction in 3/3.5 was too... slick? Too modernistic? Too reaching-to-look-cool? Does anyone else long for the days when a heavy shield was kite-shaped, when every little piece in a suit of full plate didn't have its own little spur or spike or other sort of completely impractical ornamentation, when monsters and adventurers weren't always captured in extreme action poses? I want to see art that says to me that this is a fantasy, not a pseudomedieval action movie. A cleaner, more attractive style that does more than make me say "That is bad ass", but draws me into the world. More of this and less of this.
Anyone else get where I'm coming from? YES
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6 years ago ::
Sep 20, 2007 - 10:28PM
#1809
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Date Joined:
Mar 20, 2001
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That would only allow the cleric more spells to cast on himself and such-like, thus increasing the dreaded "CoDZilla" potential. Well, then, I suppose it would have to be met with some other balancing factor...it was just a wish, something I would like to see that "makes sense" to me; I'm leaving it up to others (you maybe?) to figure out what else would need to be done to balance out the cleric.
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6 years ago ::
Sep 21, 2007 - 11:08AM
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You know that lemmings over the cliff thing was staged? Indeed I do. I also know, or atleast think, that "Powerful" should mean something more than "Doesn't jump off cliffs".
And since this is the Wishlist thread and I am in favour of staying on topic: I whish there will be stats for lemmings in 4E!
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