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4 years ago ::
Jun 26, 2006 - 4:07PM
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So… you're going to solve that by instituting a paper-based exchange system where initially the paper is exchangeable for gold and that eventually gets phased out when the Plebes realize that handing actual gold back and forth is inconvenient and dumb, right? Wrong. Remember that this is the Iron Age, and people haven't invented Nationalism yet. The cornerstone of the Greenback currency is a belief in the nation that prints it – and nations simply don't exist. You've got empires, and you've got kingdoms, and you've got tribes, and you've got unincorporated villages… and that's it as far as civilization goes. When you look at a map in D&D and a colored region has a name on it, that's the name of the region. Possibly it's even the name of some guy in the region. The point is, that it's not a country in the modern sense of the word, so if some new guy walks in who's bad enough the next cartographer will put his name on the region instead.
And that means that "The Full Faith and Credit of the Kingdom of Daxall" is worth precisely nothing. And while King Daxall can, through force of arms, take all the gold away from all the peasants and get them to trade pieces of paper for goods and services in its place – noone will actually believe that the paper is currency. They're literally trading promises by King Daxall that he'll let them have their money back if they leave town. And since the serfs can't even leave town, even that promise is meaningless to them. A serf accepts paper for goods and services only because he'll be beheaded if he doesn't. The black market value of these pieces of paper is pretty close to zero. Worse, nearby governments will see this as a blatant attempt to sequester all the gold in King Daxall's pants and will probably declare war (in addition to the fact that noone outside the reach of King Daxall's pikemen will accept Daxall Dollars). Well, actually, paper money (called bank notes for a reason) were first issued by, well, banks, not central governments, usually as a result of a shortage of metal to make coinage. Since metal isn't that valuable in D&D economies, I could see bank notes being issues based on gems or megical materials or magic items. It doesn't have to be in everyday use for it to be valuable for big ticket purchases after all, it just needs to be accepted by the major traders and merchants.
And while I realize you are stipulating an Iron Age culture, most D&D societies seem to have elements from more sophisticated societies mixed in. And while paper money is historically a later thing, a form of letter of credit, the giro seems to date back to at least the first century AD. It seems to me given the long-lived entities and their powers of revenge, an inter-planar system of private banks capable of issuing their own notes might emerge to make it easier to move wealth around.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 26, 2006 - 4:14PM
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...Dude. I TOTALLY didn't even get the material components thing until I read that. I mean, I got the lightning one, I just didn't get the rest. (Arc lightning, by the way, is another really great example of this. If you don't get it after seeing the pic in the SpC, then, well...)
I feel really stupid now.
Vain? Me? NEVER.
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You're the straightest shooter I know on these boards. You don't mince words about your opinions, and I respect that about you. The whole fiasco you described in the last State of the CO Forum was particularly enlightening (and kind of disappointing with regards to how they see us).
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4 years ago ::
Jun 26, 2006 - 4:24PM
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Oh, were I the man who invented the slow clap.
But I am not.
Well done, K. Well done indeed. I'd like to see Races of War next. While I don't agree with everything you've said, you've presented a well-thought out, funny, and generally GOOD argument that doesn't only present some of the problems in 3.5 E D+D, but actually tries to fix them.
Well done indeed.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 26, 2006 - 4:54PM
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One other period where this type of behavior seems accepted is during the expansion of empires into weaker, "less advanced" territories. Or, in other words, colonial periods. Well... but while many people are vaguely OK with being compared to "Hercules", in the modern era relatively few people want to think of their heroes as being British Opium Warriors. So while "yes", in a very real way "no". Not because the comparison is inaccurate, but because with modern sensibilities it is unflattering.
Well, actually, paper money (called bank notes for a reason) were first issued by, well, banks, not central governments The first paper money, not to be confused with contracts and promissary notes (which date back to the Babylonian days or before), date back to the 900s in China and were indeed issued by the government as a method of holding on to the metal supply. This "flying money" was pretty unpopular because people didn't really believe it had value.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 26, 2006 - 4:55PM
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Oops, double post!
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4 years ago ::
Jun 26, 2006 - 4:56PM
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Again, gonna take awhile to absorb all of your work. There's a lot of great looking design advice here. I ask again, why aren't you working for one of the rpg companies (or are you?  ) I gotta ask, what's with the Tommy ability in the Elothar prc? Gotta be some inside joke! I could've done without the assassin having spells, but, looks cool otherwise. (I use the base assassin and thief-acrobat in Cityworks from FFG.) Btw, your prc's look, well, prestigious, like they oughta be! oh, yah, I can't wait for the Book of Gears!!
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4 years ago ::
Jun 26, 2006 - 5:23PM
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Awesome stuff once more, K, though I have to ask: who writes these? Normally I'd assume it's you, but you keep using words like "we" and "us," which has gotten me fairly confused. Edit: Oh, and I'm voting for Tome of Trees.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 26, 2006 - 5:27PM
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Under Running A Business: Profits... don't you mean oligopoly, not oligarchy?
And while I know what they mean(monopoly and oligopoly) you may want to include a short description of what each means.
I also vote Tome of War... after all, fighters need some significant help to make them playable past level 4.
Still reading though... so more comments to come.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 26, 2006 - 5:47PM
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The first paper money, not to be confused with contracts and promissary notes (which date back to the Babylonian days or before), date back to the 900s in China and were indeed issued by the government as a method of holding on to the metal supply. This "flying money" was pretty unpopular because people didn't really believe it had value.[/quote] OK, you have me there, but that still doesn't explain why the high-end magical economy isn't using letters of credit and similar instruments for expensive purchases. Teleport makes the whole idea much easier.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 26, 2006 - 6:42PM
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Question: Can a monk select the same bonuses from the Fighting Style Abilities list twice in the same Fighting Style? Such as selecting - While Active, your Fighting Style provides a +4 Dodge Bonus to AC.
eight times (2 Grand Master Fighting Style abilities -> 4 Master Fighting Style abilities -> 8 Fighting Style abilities) granting 8 +4 dodge bonuses to AC. And as dodge bonuses stack that would net a +32 dodge bonus to AC
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