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5 years ago  ::  Jan 21, 2008 - 7:22PM #11
Krusk
Date Joined: Nov 30, 2005
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Thats interesting/a pain.

Hopefully wizards will not do something that prevents me from using the same PDF on multiple computers. I would even be ok with th PDF requiring internet, and asking me for a username/password everytime i want to use it. But not with something that essentially forced me to buy mulyiple copies for multiple computers.
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 25, 2008 - 3:19PM #12
bone_naga
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Krusk wrote:

Thats interesting/a pain.

Hopefully wizards will not do something that prevents me from using the same PDF on multiple computers. I would even be ok with th PDF requiring internet, and asking me for a username/password everytime i want to use it. But not with something that essentially forced me to buy mulyiple copies for multiple computers.


I think requiring the internet for the .pdf is a bad idea. Personally, I love the hyper-text SRD, but I am rarely online when I'm playing D&D. However, I do usually have my laptop. The whole reason I would want the pdfs is so I can carry my computer to the gametable instead of an entire shelf of books.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 25, 2008 - 3:40PM #13
Krusk
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bone_naga wrote:

I think requiring the internet for the .pdf is a bad idea. Personally, I love the hyper-text SRD, but I am rarely online when I'm playing D&D. However, I do usually have my laptop. The whole reason I would want the pdfs is so I can carry my computer to the gametable instead of an entire shelf of books.


Most people I know are decently involved wih computers. I'm pretty much the only one who is not majoring or minoring in them. So they all have some form of wireless I can jump onto easily enough.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 25, 2008 - 9:12PM #14
Beavisfett
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I imagine it will be tied to you account login and only one computer will be able to access it at a time.
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2008 - 6:22PM #15
AlterFrom
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bone_naga wrote:

I think requiring the internet for the .pdf is a bad idea. Personally, I love the hyper-text SRD, but I am rarely online when I'm playing D&D. However, I do usually have my laptop. The whole reason I would want the pdfs is so I can carry my computer to the gametable instead of an entire shelf of books.


I'm not sure about the legal status of doing so (somebody care to tell me?), but there are ways to download the SRD to an offline folder. I'll refrain from going further until someone else can comment on how legal/right/wrong it is. Better safe than sorry nowadays. :whatsthis

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2008 - 6:36PM #16
sorvani
Date Joined: Sep 8, 2007
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Beavisfett wrote:

I imagine it will be tied to you account login and only one computer will be able to access it at a time.


That I know will not be true. The e-books have nothing to do with a DDI, aside from DDI being the method of "purchase." The e-books can be purchased without subscribing to DDI, this has been posted by WotC more than once. They have also repeatedly stated that the e-books will be downloaded. That means local.

There are secure ways of handling a PDF file if that is the method WotC goes with the e-books. Adobe authenticates the book to the machine at the time of purchase/download. After that the book is completely off-line.

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5 years ago  ::  Jan 26, 2008 - 6:53PM #17
anomalousman
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We just discussed this in the Mac thread.

http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.ph … st14925116

As far as I'm concerned, machine ID-based DRM is a deal breaker. That usually means you need to reauthorise every file you use every time you:
- upgrade your operating system
- change a video card
- change a hard disk
- upgrade your whole computer

...and that assumes you only use one computer, which I don't. Life is too short. Actual encryption also means that multi-file searching is impossible, and I can't tell you how often I do that these days with a huge library of books.

As I said in the other thread, I'd be happy to buy the PDFs for more than just the nominal price (and in fact will use the PDFs in preference to the books), but only if the protection is watermarking. If any fileshared copy can be traced to the purchasing credit card, that should be good enough. And as far as circumvention is concerned, don't forget that fileshared PDFs exist even if they have to be scanned.

I also go further to suggest that a well chosen low price for a PDF only copy might generate a whole new market segment of completists, and make quite a lot of money. People buy differently at different price points, and there's a reason booster packs cost the amount they do...
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5 years ago  ::  Jan 27, 2008 - 4:06AM #18
Kentinal
Date Joined: Aug 2, 2005
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AlterFrom wrote:

I'm not sure about the legal status of doing so (somebody care to tell me?), but there are ways to download the SRD to an offline folder. I'll refrain from going further until someone else can comment on how legal/right/wrong it is. Better safe than sorry nowadays. :whatsthis


Basic rule of law is, if you own it you can make copies of it for your own use.
Copyright protection law is about giving copies to people that do not own the book, thus reducing sales of the owner of the copyright.

As for the 3.X SRD that is under open gaming license and having an offline copy clearly appears to be legal.That is freely distributable. The PHB however is not, you are only permitted personal copies if you own such book.

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5 years ago  ::  Feb 09, 2008 - 4:08PM #19
SpAzZtix
Date Joined: Feb 9, 2008
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You seem to be over looking that each post from WoTC i have seen has clearly stated that this is an ONLINE system. And being as that is the case im guessing the you will have to log in to the system to gain acsess to whatever you have paid for. Im guessing there will be a small portion of the available data stored on your machine but the mojority of the info will be stored on WoTC server and you will authenticate by loging in. The login will confirm you have a paid subscription. It will work in a similar way to an MMO you cant play your charactor unless you are logged in and if you are not paid up you will have limited functionality @ best.weather or not WoTC decides to let you log in to your account from any pc or IP address remains to be seen.
As for the E-books i think they will just be an PDF copy of the books with normal PDF interactivity.

Ohh And Kentinal you should take a close look at the DMCA, Big company's have trampled fair use.
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5 years ago  ::  Feb 10, 2008 - 1:37PM #20
ian_worcestershire
Date Joined: Feb 6, 2008
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I am 'puter stupid, so please bear with. What is the big problem with issuing normal, low-security PDFs? If the hacks want to pirate D&D material then all they gotta do is 1-pool their money for one set of books 2-go crazy with a scanner 3-share the files. Right? Or am I being unusually puterstupid?
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