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5 years ago ::
Mar 21, 2008 - 1:56PM
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Try telling that to my friend. When ever i tell him something I've learned of
4th edition, he flips out becuase aparently owning wizards presents: classes and races makes him the master of 4E. Any way.. do think that if the metalics can be bad, the cromatics can be good? Just a thought, becuase this gives me the perfect chance to mess with player's heads.
Yes. Neither group has alignment restrictions but I think you'll find that behaviorally, they're still pretty much the same ... that is to say, that metallics will still be manipulative and controlling while chromatics will still be destructive and violent. That sort of thing.
Although, that being said, the description of the iron dragon is that it's the metallics' "big dumb brute" counterpart to the chromatics' white dragon. So much for needless synergies or whatever ... 
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5 years ago ::
Mar 21, 2008 - 1:57PM
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Then I will ask you to give me the quote saying the metallics will not be in the MM1. Everything I have seen seems to say they will be there otherwise why waste the time to create 2 new dragon types?
I'd suggest you take the time to read through the entire thread. You'll find that the quote you want has been posted twice already, once by me and once by another poster.
However, I think it bears repeating that the statement made by Massawyrm that there will be "no metallics in the MM" contradicts the statement made by WotC that "every Desert of Desolation mini will be in the first 4e MM" (considering that there's a copper dragon mini in that set). I don't think we'll know which statement is correct until we have the book in our hands, though. WotC's initial statement about that minis set was that every mini except one would be in the MM. (EDIT: I've started a thread seeking clarification about this over on ENWorld. See here.)
Here's one possibility:
1) WotC decides to cut the metallics from the MM early on. They ship out this version of the MM to playtesters like Massawyrm.
2) As a result, WotC states that all minis in the Desert of Desolation set but one (the copper dragon) will be in the MM.
3) WotC later decides that they can fit some, if not all, of the metallics into the first MM after all (perhaps they had originally kept the templates in the MM and later decided to move them to the DMG, thus freeing up some space for some more monsters or something).
4) As a result, WotC changes their statement about the minis to say that all of them will be in the MM after all.
5) However, WotC does not send out an updated version of the MM to playtesters like Massawyrm, so when his NDA is lifted, he makes the statement, based on his knowledge, that there are no metallics in the MM.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 23, 2008 - 6:48AM
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...You should be a detective.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 23, 2008 - 12:08PM
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...You should be a detective.
LOL. Well, I'm not having much luck at the moment.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 24, 2008 - 12:47PM
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How so pukunui?
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5 years ago ::
Mar 24, 2008 - 1:26PM
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How so pukunui?
Follow the link to ENWorld that I posted above and you'll see what I mean ...
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5 years ago ::
Mar 25, 2008 - 8:11AM
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Then I will ask you to give me the quote saying the metallics will not be in the MM1. Everything I have seen seems to say they will be there otherwise why waste the time to create 2 new dragon types?
Yes chromatics are no longer always evil. From the way it sounds the only things that are always a specific alignment will be a rare exception to the general rule.
Really, you need to read this entire thread. The relevant quotes have been provided and discussed almost ad nauseam.
Rob Bodine
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Convention Coordinator, synDCon
@synDCon http://synDCon.net/
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5 years ago ::
Mar 25, 2008 - 3:15PM
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Something just struck an idea in my head. There's a silver dragon in Dungeons of dread, and it's supposed to be all the common and basic minis. Surely that means they'll all be in the mm.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 25, 2008 - 4:32PM
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Something just struck an idea in my head. There's a silver dragon in Dungeons of dread, and it's supposed to be all the common and basic minis. Surely that means they'll all be in the mm.
Can you point us to where you saw that? I'm not disputing you. Just can't find it myself ...
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5 years ago ::
Mar 26, 2008 - 1:41AM
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Can you point us to where you saw that? I'm not disputing you. Just can't find it myself ...
DDM Spoilers - it's not exactly an 'official' source, but the photos of the minis are from D&D Experience where all the minis from Dungeons of Dread were on display.
GamerZero also put a video on Youtube where Blue interviewed Rob Heinsoo (IIRC) - all the minis are shown shortly. I cannot access the site right now, but if you have trouble finding it, there should also be a link on GamerZero's blog for D&D Experience.
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