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6 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2007 - 11:32PM
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The "quality" of the new material for Dragon is sub-par... so far it has been 1 actual article and 2 web enhancements. Then a bunch of self-promotion for 4E...I seriously hope you plan to step-up quantity and quality of the articles for the magazines. It's the 8th already and not a single Dungeon magazine article in view...
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6 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2007 - 11:37PM
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Apr 22, 2005
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I agree. Also, news services are not creating something from scratch. They are reporting the news. With the digital content there is a huge creative component.
I would like to see all the people who complain create something on the level that WotC creates. Also, when are talking price I am sure that I paid as much or more for both my magazines every month plus shipping and handling.
Are you outside the US? cuz if you had a subscription inside the US you didn't pay anything for shipping & handling, and subscriptions to the pair of magazines was I think $80...which is significantly less than $10-15/month. Now if you ordered both magazines from paizo.com and paid for shipping costs every month...wow...you paid much more...and would be the poster child for "A fool and his money are soon parted".
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6 years ago ::
Oct 09, 2007 - 6:58AM
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What I want to know is why is it so darned expensive. Two subscriptions for Dungeon and Dragon were around 80 bucks a year. Now I don't know alot about print-based periodicals, but I would be hard pressed to believe that running a web-based magazine is more expensive, even if you have all of that cool web content for character building and online play. I know it was a different company, but still. You are actually trying to compare Dungeon and Dragon to news. That is in no way a valid comparison. Not only do they have vastly different target audiences, and vastly different readerships (orders of magnitude in difference), but they don't serve the same service in the slightest. Dungeon and Dragon are entertainment, pure and simple. The websites you refer to in "comparison" are news providers.
This brings up a very good point, Wizards has to think about their readership. I'm a young guy still in college and I'm getting married at the end of the year. Fortunately I have an awesome fiance that also plays and we both want to have access to the online content. However I can't justify paying 200-300 dollars a year just for a gaming site, that doesn't include what we spend in books or minis. For 10-12 dollars a month we'll have to see, but I must say that the content had better be flippin' awesome for that price.
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6 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2007 - 12:18PM
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Nov 30, 2005
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If you don't like the price, don't buy it. A lot of people (myself included) never even picked up a copy of Dragon or dungeon and did just fine.
Currently rewriting everything. If anyone knows of a Dragonmech campaign writeup or session recording, PM me. Words to Live By
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6 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2007 - 8:26AM
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I think it is silly to call discussions of 4th edition "advertising" in so far as the community is interested in the subject. "Puff piece" fine, but really, part of why I LIKED Dragon so much is that I don't mind being advertised things I might want. Tell me about that new _____! Or a ______?! I could get that for my DM for his birthday. Fourth edition? I want to hear all about it.
That being said, I tend to agree with the original point of the post; isn't pay-for-content an obsolete website model? I consider myself a hardcore fan & I had a subscription to Dragon, but I have no intentions of paying 10 dollars a month to read a webpage. Sorry.
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6 years ago ::
Oct 14, 2007 - 12:43PM
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I too will not be subscribing. But wait. I never used or purchased a single copy of Dragon or Dungeon and actually hated most of the content I read for it's lack of consistency and ignorance of power-scales. If I want overpowered crap I'll make it up myself and save some change.
My hat is off to those who did use the stuff though. Sorry you lost your resources.
Sadly, tofu never screams.
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6 years ago ::
Oct 18, 2007 - 5:22AM
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The issue here is you're comparing large well-known news sites with a niche product. WotC doesn't have to follow the "trend" because they're focusing on an entirely different market. As someone else said above, you're comparing two different things and trying to come up with an answer - in short, you're looking at it from the wrong perspective.
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6 years ago ::
Oct 22, 2007 - 4:24PM
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What I find amusing thus far is that the new Dungeon and Dragon magazines offer even less content than that which was freely available through the largeese of Wizards with their almost daily updates of free content.
Personally, I'll admit, I value print materials much more than web. I can take a print magazine anywhere. With a web magazine, I need to find a printer and use expensive ink. I'll also admit I had a subscription to Dungeon Magazine, and sorely miss it.
I wonder at some of Wizards' arguments for web being better than print. In the Ampersand editorial, I believe, the authors stated "that's all the room I have"... that is, word limits are still imposed on authors, so the articles will not necessarily be better quality or longer on the web. Indeed, the quantity also appears diminished- since overall instead of finding content on Wizards' site for free, in Dungeon and in Dragon, our only option is Wizards' site.
Now, I never quite saw the economic sense of Wizards offering adventures for free on their website (though it was very much welcomed), but I find it frustrating that the new Dungeon and Dragon magazines are disappointing in terms of quantity and timely releases (I realize that the "october" edition is in reality an "october/november" edition). The whole execution of Dragon and Dungeon thus far does not appear to be very professional.
A final statement; I'll admit, I do like some of the new ideas for 4th edition, but I have one plea- please don't waste pages on useless information such as "description on what an elf looks like"... or "elf society" unless a book such as "The Elf" is released. The trend in Wizards' books for a 3 page PRC was completely unnecessary and unneeded, as were trends for longer monster entries. 1 page per monster, and 1-2 pages per PRC is more than enough and allows new innovative ideas to be expressed. Admittedly, 3E was wearing thin and Wizards needed to stretch the length of its products. I can only hope that 4E starts as 3.5 did- a quality product.
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6 years ago ::
Oct 23, 2007 - 10:27AM
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Apr 15, 2001
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I don't know if WoTC has figured out peiople will buy online content if its cheap. TO sell it to me t has to be either cheaper than Dragon/Dungeon magazine or be alot better.
Downloadable games for PC/360 sell but they're cheaper than a normal game. RPGnow seems to be able to sell PDFs but once again they're cheaper than D&D books.
I'm not gonna pay shelf price for PDF Dragon/Dungeon magazines. I started reading them long before I had a credit card. How to younger gamers access is who may or may not be abke to use ther parents credit cards/paypal.
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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6 years ago ::
Oct 26, 2007 - 10:06PM
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Does anyone know if or when they are going to continue the Core Dieties Articles that was started in Dragon Magazine?
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