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3 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2007 - 4:29PM
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with recent developments of many news services including the possibility for the Wall Street Journal to go to a free online use vs subscription based... how is it that Dragon and Dungeon would be better than a media source that made $10 million annualy (TimesSelect) for $50 per year subscriptions or $65 million (Wall Street Journal) for $99 per year subscriptions. DDI already looks like it will range around $10-$30 per month meaning it will be $120-$360 per year...  does this mean that the articles from those former magazine will be better and worth more money that the two previous mentioned media sources? i wonder if WotC is heading into this at the end of the era where people and mainstream publishings are willing to pay for online subscriptions to a collection of articles. and if the current ones are any indication of quality, then i used the term articles very loosely. as their content seems more like advertisement for 4th edition concepts. will this component of 4th edition really be worth the money they suggest when compared to their former forms and those other online sources that are or possibly soon going to become free?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2007 - 7:26PM
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with recent developments of many news services including the possibility for the Wall Street Journal to go to a free online use vs subscription based...
how is it that Dragon and Dungeon would be better than a media source that made $10 million annualy (TimesSelect) for $50 per year subscriptions or $65 million (Wall Street Journal) for $99 per year subscriptions.
You are comparing apples and oranges. People go to those places to get daily news coverage. There is no way on earth that a reasonable person would be able to look at online news services like the WSJ and others, and try to make a valid comparison to DDI.
DDI already looks like it will range around $10-$30 per month meaning it will be $120-$360 per year...
Those places, as well as many other free news services all have advertising to defray the costs, as well as thriving print sides to help pay for the costs as well.
does this mean that the articles from those former magazine will be better and worth more money that the two previous mentioned media sources?
Oh. My. God. You are actually trying to compare Dungeon and Dragon to news. That is in no way a valid comparison. Not only do they have vastly different target audiences, and vastly different readerships (orders of magnitude in difference), but they don't serve the same service in the slightest. Dungeon and Dragon are entertainment, pure and simple. The websites you refer to in "comparison" are news providers.
and if the current ones are any indication of quality, then i used the term articles very loosely. as their content seems more like advertisement for 4th edition concepts.
 I am shocked!! Shocked!! that WotC would dare try to use their website to provide us with information about 4e!!
will this component of 4th edition really be worth the money they suggest when compared to their former forms
That remains to be seen. Personally, I am cautiously optimistic about the quality of the articles, but I am slightly skeptical that they will be able to provide a continual flow (3 updates a week, I think they said) of quality articles over the long term.
and those other online sources that are or possibly soon going to become free?
Can't compare them. Apples and oranges.
Mudbunny
SVCL for DDI
This new community site is in Beta, pardon our dust and be patient as new functionality is added over time
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3 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2007 - 7:28PM
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The Digitial Initiative isn't just news articles related to D&D. It's an entire media frenzy including adventures, web enhancements, and an actual D&D virtual client (which does cost money for current versions) with constant updates.
You are presenting a straw-man argument comparing it to a free news website. Why not compare it to a subscription based website and see if the content compares?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2007 - 8:13PM
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Those places, as well as many other free news services all have advertising to defray the costs, as well as thriving print sides to help pay for the costs as well.
have you not seen any of Wizards site without spyware blockers?
the pages are riddled with google ads all over the place.
so if what you say is true, then why should someone pay to see those ads they dont want.
looks like wizards already has advertisement supported areas, so what is to stop them from doing it with DDI?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2007 - 8:16PM
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have you not seen any of Wizards site without spyware blockers?
the pages are riddled with google ads all over the place.
so if what you say is true, then why should someone pay to see those ads they dont want.
looks like wizards already has advertisement supported areas, so what is to stop them from doing it with DDI?
The sheer difference in number of viewers between the news sites and the WotC site makes for all the difference in the revenue that they get from their advertising. As for DDI, there is nothing stopping them from doing it. Heck, it might not be a bad idea for them to have some advertising to defray the costs of a subscription to DDI.
Mudbunny
SVCL for DDI
This new community site is in Beta, pardon our dust and be patient as new functionality is added over time
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3 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2007 - 8:25PM
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The sheer difference in number of viewers between the news sites and the WotC site makes for all the difference in the revenue that they get from their advertising. As for DDI, there is nothing stopping them from doing it. Heck, it might not be a bad idea for them to have some advertising to defray the costs of a subscription to DDI.
please provide exact numbers of viewers from both the news sites as well as all sites under the WorC umbrella of their 3 nameservers.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2007 - 8:50PM
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I realize the suggested tie-in to 4E, but we are moving this to the D&Di forums.
Thanks.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 19, 2007 - 8:57PM
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I realize the suggested tie-in to 4E, but we are moving this to the D&Di forums.
Thanks.
thanks. so many forums now only Loki or Odin knows where to find them all.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 20, 2007 - 6:21AM
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please provide exact numbers of viewers from both the news sites as well as all sites under the WorC umbrella of their 3 nameservers.
Why?? You are the one that made the initial claim that they are the same, it is your responsibility to provide numbers and other facts to back up that claim.
However, just for kicks and giggles, I decided to do your work for you. (Took me all of about 5 minutes, and i spent more time copy/pasting/link-inserting than actual searching.)
Link!!!
(Article published Sept 18, 2007)
The Wall Street Journal Digital Network, (which includes WSJ.com, MarketWatch.com, Barrons.com and AllThingsD.com) attracted 17.9 million unique visitors, in August alone.
Linky!!
(Article published Sept 18, 2007)Timesselect (from the NY Times I believe) had no numbers available that I could find, but the NY Times free site has approximately 13 million unique visitors each month.
Linky!!
(Published May 03, 2007)The WotC website, OTOH hand, gets approximately 13 million unique visitors in a year.
So, the WSJ sites get more hits in a month than the WotC site gets in a year, and the NY Times website gets in a month what the WotC site gets in a year.
In other words, the WSJ sites get (about) 16.5 times more unique visitors per year, and the Times site gets about 12 times more unique visitors per year.
Mudbunny
SVCL for DDI
This new community site is in Beta, pardon our dust and be patient as new functionality is added over time
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3 years ago ::
Sep 20, 2007 - 6:43PM
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i gave numbers.
price per month per customer of them, and gave recent annual earnings from them.
you coudl have done the math any way you choose to derive the little numbers monthly by customer or however else.
the point is if those companies see fit that they with their much greater visitors and higher income for the website than WotC makes on D&D annauly see fit to make their services free, then how is the WotC insider section going to provide comparable material of a much higher quality for its readers, than those of the news sources in order to neccessitate the costs for them?
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