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9 years ago ::
Oct 31, 2004 - 7:25PM
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I'll put that in as a houserule, but BRC's clarification, while I wholly agree with it in the spirit of the power, caused so much further debate because of his way of wording it and improper memory of the game rules, that I wouldn't be comfortable putting it in as a definitive answer, even if he is the author.
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9 years ago ::
Oct 31, 2004 - 8:03PM
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Bacris: Transparent meta feats is not built in because they use two different mechanics.
Well, I did say "should". 
If your DM wants to houserule that they work across both and modify the levels / pps accordingly
Yeah, that's pretty much what you have to do. And you always apply the psionic feat to magic, never visa versa, since the psionic ones are more balanced than the magic ones. The conversion is straightforward, but by definition it requires a house rule ... until the Players Handbook gets updated with "spell points" and augmentation!
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9 years ago ::
Oct 31, 2004 - 8:03PM
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Great post, hopefully it will quelch many of those opposed to psionics. Did find a minor error though, under your section about Vigor: b) temporary power points
Power points should be health points if i'm not mistaken.
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9 years ago ::
Oct 31, 2004 - 8:16PM
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*whistles innocently* I don't know what you mean Fixed 
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9 years ago ::
Oct 31, 2004 - 8:38PM
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A link to this thread is going right next to Sereg's post in the 'Great Truth' series in my signature.
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9 years ago ::
Oct 31, 2004 - 11:12PM
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I highly approve of this thread.
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Oct 31, 2004 - 11:59PM
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This thread receives the very highest of adjectival awards: it is super-cool. Good work, Bacris. This definitely needs a sticky. I think from now on, any time anyone makes a "OMFG PSIONICS ARE TEH BROKEN!!!11" thread a mod should just link them here and lock it. :D
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9 years ago ::
Nov 01, 2004 - 1:40AM
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Voicing my opinion too: I beleive this thread should be stickied too. It would prevent the same arguments from coming up over and over again.
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9 years ago ::
Nov 01, 2004 - 1:50AM
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Somehow I doubt that.
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9 years ago ::
Nov 01, 2004 - 3:51AM
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Nice threads, well done ! I want to add something about this point : Myth 8: Metapsionic feats are too powerful, they cost less than metamagic feats
Answer: Metapsionic feats cost 2 fewer power points than previously, but cost Psionic focus. Psionic focus is something that normally requires a full round action in and of itself to regain and can only be used once per feat pre-epic. With yet another feat selected, Psionic Meditation, the manifester can get focus back as a move action and manifest the same round - just like a sorcerer - but has to pay for that in the cost of one of their very, very limited feats.
The refocus provoke an attack of opportunity even as a free action with hustle, there's no precision about AoOs when meditating as a free action, so I think it's the same as reloading a crossbow as a free action (feat Rapid Reload, reload as a free action that provokes an AoO) you lose concentration on combat and then still provoke AoOs.
A sorcerer can stack 10 metamagics on a spell if he can as a full round action. It's still better than Psion at epic levels as a psion got to take a lot of feats (Epic Psionic Focus) when a sorcerer just have to lower the costs.
It's nice to just have to point to this thread when another "Psionic is overpowered because you can spend all your PPs for the day on a nuke power and then kill 5 giants in one round at 1st level" thread will be up !
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