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5 years ago ::
Apr 01, 2008 - 1:29PM
#1951
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The only way I can see psionics being overpowering vs the magic system is when you go beyond 20th level. At epic levels spellcasters 1st-9th level spells soon become useless as the either the save DC's are too low, the damage potential is too small, or the buffer spells hardly matter. Psions, however, can augment their powers (within their class level of course), keeping them balanced with their level: they can increase the dice cap which usuall increases the DC, increase the number of targets, the amount of HD affected, or even increase the buffer.
You can argue that spellcasters can use feats (ie metamagic feats) to achieve similiar results, however psions have access to the same feats as well.
Not to mention that the psion's metamagic feats versions, metapsionics, come with a much lower cost. Choosing to apply a metamagic feat for a wizard or cleric requires some forethought and planning. For a sorcerer you cast at a full-round action (which is pretty hefty and quicken spell is essentially useless) but you don't have to worry about preparing ahead of time. Psions require a slight increase in power points and they can apply it whenever they feel like it.
At low and mid levels the overpowering factors aren't really noticed because a psion doesn't have the power points for it. However at high and epic levels psions generally have a lot of power points, an average range of 383+ at 20th level
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5 years ago ::
Apr 01, 2008 - 9:40PM
#1952
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Apr 15, 2001
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The only way I can see psionics being overpowering vs the magic system is when you go beyond 20th level. At epic levels spellcasters 1st-9th level spells soon become useless as the either the save DC's are too low, the damage potential is too small, or the buffer spells hardly matter. Psions, however, can augment their powers (within their class level of course), keeping them balanced with their level: they can increase the dice cap which usuall increases the DC, increase the number of targets, the amount of HD affected, or even increase the buffer.
You can argue that spellcasters can use feats (ie metamagic feats) to achieve similiar results, however psions have access to the same feats as well.
Not to mention that the psion's metamagic feats versions, metapsionics, come with a much lower cost. Choosing to apply a metamagic feat for a wizard or cleric requires some forethought and planning. For a sorcerer you cast at a full-round action (which is pretty hefty and quicken spell is essentially useless) but you don't have to worry about preparing ahead of time. Psions require a slight increase in power points and they can apply it whenever they feel like it.
At low and mid levels the overpowering factors aren't really noticed because a psion doesn't have the power points for it. However at high and epic levels psions generally have a lot of power points, an average range of 383+ at 20th level
Epic level rules don't tend to work and theres alot more broen spells in the epic levels than psionics. Most broken stuff is level 9 spells or polymorph and timestop type effects (including psionic versions).
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2008 - 3:18PM
#1953
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Cerebremancer was put in because I actually saw that... once. Not often argued, but figured I'd put it in anyway.
Can you do soulknife too then. I have seen this argued at least two or three times.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2008 - 7:42PM
#1954
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Wait, there are people who think the Soulknife is overpowered? The Soulknife???
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5 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2008 - 8:13PM
#1955
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"The Soulknife is Overpowered"- Brought to you by the same great people who made... "The Fighter is Overpowered" and "The Cleric needs to be Buffed"
Yeah, looks like some people get natural 1's for intelligence checks..
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5 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2008 - 9:33PM
#1956
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Wait, there are people who think the Soulknife is overpowered? The Soulknife???
I've seen it. They where exalted and had the saint template. Also on the thread No Core Psions or something like that a poster repeated brought up a soulknife as an example of psionic brokenness. No build was included, nor could the poster provide it.
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5 years ago ::
Jun 18, 2008 - 11:53AM
#1957
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As I said...
Realy, the only way I would find soulknife to be even remotly broken is a soulknife5/soulbow10/illuminesoul5 in an undead campaign where there are absolutly no other ranged attackers (including casters), all the undead have melee attacks, and you are the only one in medium armor. Then maybe, just maybe, you could make him overpowered.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 24, 2011 - 9:00AM
#1958
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Hi everyone. I have a question regarding Myth 22 - overchannel. In addition to all that is mentioned in the stated Myth, upon reaching epic lvl a psion has acces to a feat called improved overchannel which allows her to raise the manifester lvl up to twice it's actual lvl for the cost of 2d8 dmg inflicted upon herself for every ML raised this way. Now, what concerns me is what follows: can she avoid all this dmg with the help of the talented feat?
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2 years ago ::
Jan 24, 2011 - 8:19PM
#1959
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Hi everyone. I have a question regarding Myth 22 - overchannel. In addition to all that is mentioned in the stated Myth, upon reaching epic lvl a psion has acces to a feat called improved overchannel which allows her to raise the manifester lvl up to twice it's actual lvl for the cost of 2d8 dmg inflicted upon herself for every ML raised this way. Now, what concerns me is what follows: can she avoid all this dmg with the help of the talented feat?
I don't think it has ever been clarified whether the Talented feat covers improved overchanneling as well as regular overchanneling.
The Talented feat says that "you do not take damage from overchanneling", but this is never specifically defined as applying either only to the Overchannel feat, or as applying to anything else. In fact, the books never come right out and say that using the Overchannel feat is what Talented means when it talks about overchanneling; it is assumed that you will understand that this is what is meant due to Overchannel being the prerequisite for Talented.
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