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5 years ago ::
Mar 09, 2008 - 9:29PM
#1941
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Since D&D was designed for a party containing a spellcaster...yes. It is.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 09, 2008 - 9:39PM
#1942
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Apr 15, 2001
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Since D&D was designed for a party containing a spellcaster...yes. It is.
My PCs don't really have a spellcaster in their party unless you count the NPC Bard that one of them married:P
Your ansewer ius still dodging the question. How is Temporal Acceleration and Psionic versions of Shapechange not broken compared to other classes ignoring the 3-4 primary (Cleric, Druid, Wizard, Sorcerer) spellcasting classes?
Or the Psion is a better class than the wizard except that theres a handful of stupidly broken spells/
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 09, 2008 - 10:03PM
#1943
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Psion vs. Beguiler would be an interesting and fair comparison. I'd put them at about par.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 09, 2008 - 10:25PM
#1944
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Apr 15, 2001
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Psion vs. Beguiler would be an interesting and fair comparison. I'd put them at about par.
I like the Beguiler. Not a bad comparison if you're the telepath or whatever disciplne.
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 09, 2008 - 11:08PM
#1945
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Oct 12, 2007
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I'd like to compare the psychic warrior to the cleric,
the cleric at 20th level could peform divine favor, which will grant +6 on damage and attack rolls.
Inorder to get the equal amount for a psychic-warrior, he'd need to manifest Precognition, Offensive six times, and Prescience, Offensive three times. (9 powerpoints)
It's not the fact that it's 1/20th powerpoints vs "making use of useless low level spell-slots" It's a matter of, the psychic warrior has to wait several more rounds to be as good at combat as the cleric.
Yes, the psychic-warrior gains feats, but the cleric gains two domains, turn/rebuke undead, and has good will saving throws.
So the cleric is a psychic-warrior, but better, more versatile, and way more powerful at high levels.
I'd say the psychic-warrior is even with the warmage.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 09, 2008 - 11:26PM
#1946
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Jan 26, 2005
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Since they don't actually stack, that doesn't work. He'd have to spend 13 pp on the Prescience, Offensive, and another 16 pp on Precognition, Offensive. 29pp total, over 2 rounds, or a swift action for the Prescience, offensive, bringing the cost up to 35pp.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 10, 2008 - 3:04AM
#1947
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Date Joined:
Apr 15, 2001
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I'd like to compare the psychic warrior to the cleric,
the cleric at 20th level could peform divine favor, which will grant +6 on damage and attack rolls.
Inorder to get the equal amount for a psychic-warrior, he'd need to manifest Precognition, Offensive six times, and Prescience, Offensive three times. (9 powerpoints)
It's not the fact that it's 1/20th powerpoints vs "making use of useless low level spell-slots" It's a matter of, the psychic warrior has to wait several more rounds to be as good at combat as the cleric.
Yes, the psychic-warrior gains feats, but the cleric gains two domains, turn/rebuke undead, and has good will saving throws.
So the cleric is a psychic-warrior, but better, more versatile, and way more powerful at high levels.
I'd say the psychic-warrior is even with the warmage.
Its probably fairer to compare the Psychic Warrior to the Duskblade. Clerics, Druids, Wizards, Sorcerers and Favoured Souls are primary spellcasters along with the Psion (level 9 powers/spells, little restriction on whats available).
Warnages and Beguilers are very heavily focused so aren't really primary spellcasters. Comparing Psywarrior and Cleric isn't a very good comparison and they fit different roles. Psywarior should replace a fighter type not primary spellcaster. A few people here claim magic is more powerful. I DM and I've seen parties with Psions instead of wizards and theres not a huge amount of difference between the two in a real game- as opposed to theory because XYZ spell is uber powerful. I've rarely seen a game get to level 17 where Timestop is an issue. Temporal acceleration comes in at level 11 which is what level my PCs are right now.
At worst with a Psion its sometimes frustrating they can't really buff anyone else like a wizard but its not like they are a weak class now is it?
Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*
*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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5 years ago ::
Mar 10, 2008 - 12:08PM
#1948
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Dec 12, 2004
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Psionics is on par with Tome of Battle, which is where all characters should be (rather than being like the fighter, which is nearly useless at later levels, given its flawed class structure).
ToB is only a bit more powerful than classes like the rogue, which are widely acknowledged as balanced.
A class doesn't have to be utterly useless to not be 'overpowered.'
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5 years ago ::
Mar 11, 2008 - 9:11AM
#1949
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"Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows..."
:-)
I think you mean "Darkness beyond blackest pitch, deeper than the deepest night..."
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5 years ago ::
Mar 13, 2008 - 10:05PM
#1950
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Date Joined:
Jul 16, 2004
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A class doesn't have to be utterly useless to not be 'overpowered.'
Not according the fighter lovers. But that's a different arguement for several hundred different threads. :D  :P
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