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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 3:20PM
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I did an eBay search for "vampire prerelease" for shiggles just to see if anyone was stupid enough to be selling their prize cards before the events & sure enough there are quite a few (cardman6321 for one, not only selling his prerelease allotment, but also his free items from the "Free Gift With Purchase Weekend"). This is yet another slap in the face to us shops & organizers who obey the rules. It's hard enough to compete with the stores controlled by Corporate America such as Wal-Mart & Gamestop who completely ignore street dates and get away with it. Is anything that can be done about these people? They should be permanently banned from the DCI at the very least. 
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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 8:05PM
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D:! hard to say that there is people doing that.
i want some vampires i forgot to register at time to Realease event Sanction ._.
Also i remember on "mercado Libre"(similar to ebay) the guy "Todo de carton" sell Promos of any kind Realeases,FNM. etc,Actually this guy is banned from DCI (per 5 years), lets wait that this shows him a lesson.
So i suppose he will be caught too, hopefully soon.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 09, 2009 - 9:23PM
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It's really sad, korrysmith, to have this discussion almost every time we are excited about a new set being released. See, eg, this thread. If you see other TOs possibly violating their agreement with WotC, the WPN team encourages you to get their eBay information, eBay items nos, and/or links if possible, and report your findings by using the "E-mail Us" tab in the Customer Service Center. As I said in the other thread: The WPN team fought hard to get budgetary approval for increased tournament support for *players* and are not at all happy about shady TOs who are stealing stuff from their players and trying to make a cut instead.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 10, 2009 - 12:53PM
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...and are not at all happy about shady TOs who are stealing stuff from their players and trying to make a cut instead.
If only this were true, or if only they did something about it...
BillBo, please don't take this personally--you are a tremendous resource here, but I honestly and seriously doubt WOTC's and the WPN's commitment to stopping TO fraud.
My experience last time we discussed this (in the thread you quoted) were not positive--I contacted the WPN per instructions. I never got a response back. The auctions remained up.
In fact, I mentioned the whole situation on another non-WOTC magic forum and someone who actually works for WOTC responded with the brush-off along the lines of "it's ok, we checked him out, he's clean" with no real information as to why this might have been so. Granted, I can understand that WOTC probably cannot discuss the specifics of a case, but slightly more info would have gone a long way--maybe something along the lines of "As incredulous as it may seem, yes, the seller legitimately got 40 of each player reward card..."
I don't know, I guess I'm rambling at this point, but I still find the entire thing hard to swallow. I'm sure there are corner cases where people can obtain and sell 80 promos on the day they are released, or can sell the exact allotment of pre-release participation cards before the pre-release, but I certainly cannot think of any of those cases at the moment.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 10, 2009 - 1:21PM
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Report the TOs. I know for a fact that the guys at WOTC do work on TO fraud. I have personally recieved phone calls from WPN for TO investigations that have been proven on several different occasions regarding different TOs and situations.
If you write in and dont hear back in a week then just write them again. Sometimes things get lost over holidays and vacations.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 10, 2009 - 1:30PM
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Report the TOs.
That only works when we know the offending TO  Most of the time all we have to go on are ebay screen names 
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4 years ago ::
Jul 11, 2009 - 12:35AM
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I have had experience at all levels of this issue, having once worked in the role responsible for policing these criminals. Wizards does do their best. The real issue is resources available vs. the ubiquity and locations of the thieves. The hard facts are that there simply are too many of the low-lifes out there stealing from their local players to catch all of them. Wizards has done much to weed out the ones they can - sometimes this involves "winning" auctions in order to gain the identities of the frauds. Sadly, it is not possible to catch and punish every scum.
James Do Hung LEE.
James Do Hung LEE.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 11, 2009 - 5:42AM
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I have had experience at all levels of this issue, ...James Do Hung LEE.
James, thanks for coming up on this issue--I'm sure you get quite tired of repeating yourself but it does us good to hear from the action people about what happens.
Friends, James is telling it straight (I won't bore you with my stories from WotC days) and the bottom line is, if you win such an auction and get one of these shark's real data, take the time to document the whole transaction and forward the stuff to WPN. Enough nails and the coffin may stay shut on at least one of these guys. I think his guy is the same one I complained about on that other board Aleksandr mentioned. If we actively work on him we might do some good.
The real dark hole here is the auction place itself. You can tell them these items are stolen property and they won't do a thing--may not even have a human reply to your message.
Gary
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4 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2009 - 6:58AM
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the real guiltyin this situation are the players. players always want more prizes for less money come on, TO or GSO pays for electricity, rent, employees, water services etc, etc, etc. the solution play every week. pay the FEE buy cards in the store for example Store: have a card for sale for 7 usd player A: wants the card player B: offer the card to player A for less money. so who is wrong there??? player B never pays rent or all other cost like the TO or stroe. wake up! this is a bussiness the cards are for support the sotres not the lazy players
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4 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2009 - 7:44AM
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Store: have a card for sale for 7 usd
player A: wants the card
player B: offer the card to player A for less money.
so who is wrong there??? player B never pays rent or all other cost like the TO or stroe.
wake up! this is a bussiness the cards are for support the sotres not the lazy players
You are right, Exactly that is one of the most important reasons cuz the only and last store on my city closed some years ago,it didnt producced enough $$$ to pay everthing. And if that wasnt enoug problem,some peoples steal stuff like Extensions(for XBOX wire control),or maganizes,coces, etc,in the day cuz in 2 occacions people enter to steal at night. the people need to know that if they like the store,they need to help it, isnt enough go there just to play. They should,buy a booster,a sleeves,something,the store need cash to keep working and to grow. I knowed alot of people that doesnt like to buy boosters, cuz "Its better/easy to buy just the cards I m looking for",Its ok, i know is easy this way,but remember run a store isnt cheap,at least buy some food or drinks there. In this case if the SO is selling a card to expensve for you,Negotiate the price,cuz getting 5 bucks is better than dont get anything(In the case of SO) BTW. I still think that is wrong to sell the promo cards,speccially be internet,and more important before the event .___.
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