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2 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2011 - 8:19PM
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I'm not sure how the Guild will react to this, though I imagine the concept is to move to what is currently being supported by WoTC. That being the case, will there be a continuing need for the guild?
The Guild is currently the ICU keeping the skirmish game alive. I suppose it would be wise for Wizards to curry the favor of the Guild since the Guild knows more about the current players than any other organization. And, if there is an anticipation on Wizards' part that the existing players will transfer their loyalties to Wizards, it would be clever of Wizards to make certain that those existing players are happy (and, since most of those existing players are very happy with the Guild, it would make sense for Wizards to try to do something to keep the Guild's involvement in the game).
That said, there is always the possibility that Wizards will burn bridges rather than mend fences, and, if the gap between Paizo and Wizards were to remain, and Paizo were to wish to turn their new minis line into a full-fledged skirmish game, Paizo might try to usurp Wizards by currying the favor of the Guild first.
I really cannot predict how this will all play out. But, it seems that the Guild ought to be involved one way or the other. Though what it's role should be, I cannot, at present, predict.
Dave
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2 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2011 - 9:33PM
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Interesting thoughts, Dave.
I'm not certain Paizo is familiar with the work that the Guild is doing, although I thought I saw Jason Buhlman stop by the desk @ GenCon.
I suppose the answer to "What does the Guild do now?" will have to wait until Wizards either pulls the license (as is their right, per the agreement), or allows us to retain it. If we can retain it, we can make new stats for new figures that are released for their new game and fold those into our already huge metagame.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2011 - 9:40PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 20, 2007
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I would like to keep the ddm guild under the managment of DDM, also wizards should considerate the fact that can have both players the new ones and the old ones, also the players could like both games and it will be a profit for them.
the future now is certainly unknown but if WotC and the DDM GUILD work together could support both games in a good way
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2 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2011 - 11:28PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 30, 2007
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Painted.
I'm not sure how the Guild will react to this, though I imagine the concept is to move to what is currently being supported by WoTC. That being the case, will there be a continuing need for the guild?
Thoughts?
I genuinely hope the Guild is allowed to continue to support the DDM Skirmish game, both OE and RE. The Guild leads (those governing, producing for and play testing for) are doing a great job. I love the recent items cards, Beholder set and Blue Dagon scenario, as well as the half-maps and recent rules updates. In game-playing and hobbying terms, it would be more than a shame if for some reason the Guild stopped supporting the two current skirmish games.
Could the skirmish game survive without the licience? Or unofficially like Heroscape/Heroscapers?
As for the newly announced miniatures game from WotC, I have not made up my mind about this one. It all depends one what it is like. No interest from a collecting point of view or for use in RPGs. I also have enough minis to use to cross-over or sub into other gaming systems. I bought minis for "sociable" gaming with other like-minded skirmishers.
To be honest, I am disinterested in the announcement, and hope I do not become uninterested.
What I am going to avoid is buying into a gaming system that rapidly becomes "discontinued". My home is full oh pre-painted plastic from games that are no longer supported by their manufacturers or by local gaming stores.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2011 - 11:57PM
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Again, the Guild is doing a better job with the game than Wizards ever did. Personally I hope the new game will be just that, a new game. It would be wonderful if Wizards produced new minis that can be used in DDM and also developed a new game. I might even try the new game out if there is crossover minis wise. If the new game is meant to replace the old, that would rather infuriate me (unless by some miracle the new game is even more fun than current DDM. I give it about a one in fifteen million chance for that.). If Wizards starts hampering the Guild, then that's it for me and WotC.
So, to reiterate,
WotC brings in a new game with no crossover to current DDM, fine, might try it.
WotC brings in a new game, minis can be used for DDM, very happy, will likely try the new game out also.
WotC brings in a new game, meant to replace DDM, starts pulling licences, attempts to dissolve Guild, WotC loses my business.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 10, 2011 - 12:04AM
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Date Joined:
Dec 10, 2008
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If they're going to be painted minis, this is great news. I don't play the minis game, but I love having just the right mini for my encounters and the fact that they will be nonrandom is welcome news for me. Hopefully there will be a good variety of monster sets to choose from too.
OD&D, 1E and 2E challenged the player.
3E challenged the character, not the player.
Now 4E takes it a step further by challenging a GROUP OF PLAYERS to work together as a TEAM.
That's why I love 4E.
"Your ability to summon a horde of celestial superbeings at will is making my ... BMX skills look a bit redundant."
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2 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2011 - 12:11AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 30, 2007
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Again, the Guild is doing a better job with the game than Wizards ever did ...
WotC brings in a new game with no crossover to current DDM, fine, might try it.
WotC brings in a new game, minis can be used for DDM, very happy, will likely try the new game out also.
WotC brings in a new game, meant to replace DDM, starts pulling licences, attempts to dissolve Guild, WotC loses my business.
My thoughts and feelings precisely.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2011 - 6:50AM
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I genuinely hope the Guild is allowed to continue to support the DDM Skirmish game, both OE and RE. The Guild leads (those governing, producing for and play testing for) are doing a great job. I love the recent items cards, Beholder set and Blue Dagon scenario, as well as the half-maps and recent rules updates. In game-playing and hobbying terms, it would be more than a shame if for some reason the Guild stopped supporting the two current skirmish games. Could the skirmish game survive without the licience? Or unofficially like Heroscape/Heroscapers? As for the newly announced miniatures game from WotC, I have not made up my mind about this one. It all depends one what it is like. No interest from a collecting point of view or for use in RPGs. I also have enough minis to use to cross-over or sub into other gaming systems. I bought minis for "sociable" gaming with other like-minded skirmishers. To be honest, I am disinterested in the announcement, and hope I do not become uninterested. What I am going to avoid is buying into a gaming system that rapidly becomes "discontinued". My home is full oh pre-painted plastic from games that are no longer supported by their manufacturers or by local gaming stores.
I don't know what's to come, but, extrapolating from your comment, one possible interesting future would be for the existing minis to be restatted (yes, again) for use with the new skirmish game. After all, if the new game is a different game (so maybe it doesn't take on the moniker DDM 3.0), then slowly incorporating the figures from 1.0 and 2.0 doesn't have to do that new game any harm, and gives people with 1000+ figure collections something to do. Also, if the new game is anything like previous skirmish games with figures, then figures sales will be driven by RPG use anyway, and the skirmish community might be allowed to exist in its own weird competitive/cooperative bubble.
Just a thought.
Dave
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2 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2011 - 6:56AM
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Again, the Guild is doing a better job with the game than Wizards ever did.
From which do you think it follows that WotC ought to go out of its way to invite the Guild members to join their team? (Whether as consultants or employees matters not to me, I'm just curious what you think about whether WotC asking Guild members for input is a good idea.)
Personally I hope the new game will be just that, a new game. It would be wonderful if Wizards produced new minis that can be used in DDM and also developed a new game. I might even try the new game out if there is crossover minis wise. If the new game is meant to replace the old, that would rather infuriate me (unless by some miracle the new game is even more fun than current DDM. I give it about a one in fifteen million chance for that.).
What if the new game is significantly different? For example, consider Dreamblade. That game was significantly different. What if Dreamblade had used DDM pieces? Could there have been a reason to play both games?
If Wizards starts hampering the Guild, then that's it for me and WotC.
I wonder how many skirmishers feel this way, and whether "writing to your representative," as it were, would be productive. Do you think WotC staff (higher-ups, managers, you know, not the guys in the trenches) know this about DDM players?
So, to reiterate, WotC brings in a new game with no crossover to current DDM, fine, might try it. WotC brings in a new game, minis can be used for DDM, very happy, will likely try the new game out also. WotC brings in a new game, meant to replace DDM, starts pulling licences, attempts to dissolve Guild, WotC loses my business.
I think a lot of people are afraid of this last option. I wonder if this is as much an OP (organized play) issue as anything else? To whom should concerned players (and future purchasers) of WotC's products implore?
Dave
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2 years ago ::
Aug 11, 2011 - 2:36PM
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Well, if the people in the trenches are doing their job, the managers know. I also believe that WotC has been using the guildies quite a lot as consultants, so I don't understand why exactly they would stop doing so? If they are not using the Guild guys at all, then they are being WotC again. 
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