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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 3:41AM #1
Sitara
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How would you emulate that via SAGA rules?



Also, what if you had a human (or Zabrak) weild 2 doublebladed lightsabers like Krell, except unlike krell the human weilds them with one hand each (kinda like Exar Kun weilding a single dbl blader)



Lastly, would any of the lightsaber form talents be applicable to such an exotic and unique style? Mayyybe Juyo, and possibly Soresu...but I cannot see any of the other talents being applicable from a common sense pov.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 8:26AM #2
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From watching Pong Krell, most likely he has Whirlwind Attack.  Rising Whirlwind and Sarlacc Sweep are both lightsaber form powers and would be applicable.  Rapid Strike and Wicked Strike feats allow you to hit two targets with a single attack.

The Wookiee Grip feat from Unknown Regions allows one to use a two-handed weapon in one hand with a -2 penalty on attack rolls.

Jar'Kai banks off using two lightsabers, even if they are larger than normal.

Let me focus for a moment on your comment 'exotic and unique style'.  Why limit yourself to the lightsaber form talents.  Saga has a much bigger focus on concept, so look at other prestige classes that might fit.  Duelist, for example, has two chains of talents that focus on making full attacks and then being able to dart around the field.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 8:59AM #3
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I would say he was had all three DWM feats, Double and Triple Attack, and the Dual Weapon Flourish talents and a few multiattack proficiency (lightsabre) talents as well. 

Characters like him really don't make sense in Saga, because it really would be no different mechanically if he was just using two standard lightsabres.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 11:58AM #4
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 8:59AM, ChainmailJedi wrote:



Characters like him really don't make sense in Saga, because it really would be no different mechanically if he was just using two standard lightsabres.





How so? With two double bladed sabers he should get two extra attacks.



That's pretty big.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 12:36PM #5
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 11:58AM, Sitara wrote:

Jan 27, 2013 -- 8:59AM, ChainmailJedi wrote:

Characters like him really don't make sense in Saga, because it really would be no different mechanically if he was just using two standard lightsabres.




How so? With two double bladed sabers he should get two extra attacks.


That's pretty big.



Double bladed lightsabers do not grant extra attacks.  Using a double bladed lightsaber as a double weapon as part of TWF will grant a single extra attack but that is a result of the combat form used and has nothing to do with the weapon.

If you had a four "armed" droid weilding four double lightsabers it would still defalt to one attack in SWSE.  If it utilizes TWF it gains an additional attack (while penalizing all attacks) and it could also take double and triple attack with each give one additional attack for a total of FOUR possible attacks.  It most certainly would not get the eight attacks you seem to think it could get and if it could the cost in character resource would be incredible.
 
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 5:17PM #6
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 12:36PM, StevenO wrote:

Double bladed lightsabers do not grant extra attacks.  Using a double bladed lightsaber as a double weapon as part of TWF will grant a single extra attack but that is a result of the combat form used and has nothing to do with the weapon.

If you had a four "armed" droid wielding four double lightsabers it would still default to one attack in SWSE.  If it utilizes TWF it gains an additional attack (while penalizing all attacks) and it could also take double and triple attack with each give one additional attack for a total of FOUR possible attacks.  It most certainly would not get the eight attacks you seem to think it could get and if it could the cost in character resource would be incredible.


This is absolutely correct!

I don't think there is a reliable way to get 8 attacks on a full attack in SAGA. In RCR, sure then it could be done, but SAGA actually tried to reduce the normal amount of attacks to ONE for most characters. The reason for this being that it would speed up combat to keep the number of attacks down.

That being said, there are some builds that abuse the talent Fortune's Favor, combined with a high critical range, and the talents from the Duelist PrC to let you make full attacks as standard actions. This build can be a real meat grinder if built and used right, but it will be mostly a one trick pony that can't do much else then dominate in close combat. More importantly it will be a 10+ level character before it works properly, generating more and more attacks... Before that the character may not be that strong.  

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 5:44PM #7
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I have considered introducing a feat that would allow a character to utilize double/triple attack with the "off-hand" weapon when TWF.  Of course ALL of the penalties stack and I will also add that "when using this feat critical hits do NOT additional damage"  to avoid the character who throws out six attacks with "no chance" of hitting and then getting double damage when they do.
 
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 1:36PM #8
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 8:59AM, ChainmailJedi wrote:

Characters like him really don't make sense in Saga, because it really would be no different mechanically if he was just using two standard lightsabres.



True. But you have to admit a 4-armed dude wielding 2 double-bladed lightsabers looks really cool...


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4 months ago  ::  Jan 30, 2013 - 3:54PM #9
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Jan 30, 2013 -- 1:36PM, richterbelmont10 wrote:

Jan 27, 2013 -- 8:59AM, ChainmailJedi wrote:

Characters like him really don't make sense in Saga, because it really would be no different mechanically if he was just using two standard lightsabres.



True. But you have to admit a 4-armed dude wielding 2 double-bladed lightsabers looks really cool...





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4 months ago  ::  Feb 06, 2013 - 3:30AM #10
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Jan 27, 2013 -- 5:44PM, StevenO wrote:

I have considered introducing a feat that would allow a character to utilize double/triple attack with the "off-hand" weapon when TWF.  Of course ALL of the penalties stack and I will also add that "when using this feat critical hits do NOT additional damage"  to avoid the character who throws out six attacks with "no chance" of hitting and then getting double damage when they do.
 



If they take Triple Crit then, would they just do normal double damage or still no extra damage?  And what about things like that once crystal which add an extra die on a critical?  Would they still get that?

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