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4 months ago ::
Jan 28, 2013 - 10:17PM
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I think all star wars fan are in some way KotOR fans. I know I am and still play the games (a recent playthrough actually inspired our group, which led to this forum). I too am not happy with the way SWTOR has handled the characters. I'm silently hoping they bring us a KotOR III in the traditional sense of the games. Who knows.. That campaign you're rolling out sounds pretty good. Though our GM is an experienced one, he has never done a SW game before, and though our group has many SW fans, we are all lids  We could indeed add feat-based forms in this way. I don't think we will end up doing it though, for two reasons: 1) we were specifically going for form representation directly set out like KotOR's (with the attack mods, weapon threat, etc) stats. Now that we are satisfied it can't work out the way we had hoped we will not be trying anything else because 2) SAGA already has feats, form powers, talents, that do work with SAGA. I think it's best if we get full-bottle on the way SAGA plays before we go injecting our own stuff in there, although I will definitely take your ideas to my group and GM and see if they are keen to roll with something like what you have offered up. My interest in this now is purely to see what people that know of the KotOR II forms would stat up for Jar'Kai, Trakata, Djem So and Vaapad, without trying to adapt it for a SAGA game.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 29, 2013 - 8:26PM
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My interest in this now is purely to see what people that know of the KotOR II forms would stat up for Jar'Kai, Trakata, Djem So and Vaapad, without trying to adapt it for a SAGA game.
One thing on the the last thing. Vaapad didn't exist in KOTOR era. Mace Windu and Sora Bulq created it after Mace needed way to focus his enjoyment of battle and thrist for winning into something positive.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 1:24AM
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Yes I am aware of Vaapad's creation and it's reason for Master Windu coming up with the form. If it appeared in KotOR II what would it's form stats build look like? For example, Soresu was: Defence vs. Current Target: +2 Blaster Bolt Deflection: +4 Weapon Threat Range: -1
If you put any of the forms I had listed into the same format, how would you build them? I'm not after what is canonically correct, and as I have already discussed with Corran, my intention isn't to try to fit these into SAGA either. I'm interested in what people think when dealing purely with the mechanics.
This can be expanded upon with any Force forms, any forms from Luke's Jedi era. Even throw in some fan-made ideas too if you are keen.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 10:27AM
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There are some lightsaber forms in the books that I find weak. For example, I find Trakata extremely weak, since it can be effectively replicated by the Combat Trickery feat, which can be taken at level 1. Whereas Trakata has a whopping BAB +12 prerequisite (along with Weapon Specialization), which means you can’t select it until at least level 12. The benefits don’t match the costs. Therefore, here is my Trakata house rule:
Trakata weak talent house rule options:
(1) costs 1 swift action (instead of 2) due to high prerequisites; maybe makes opponent flat-footed until end of next turn. (2) Remove BAB+12 prerequisite and Weapon Spec prerequisite.
I also find Djem So needs some tweaking. The way it’s written, you’ll burn through all your FP’s in no time.
Djem So weak talent options:
(1) once per encounter, you may use this talent without spending a FP. OR (2) You treat the Djem So attack as an AoO or an immediate free attack where you resolve the Djem So attack and damage first before resolving the opponent’s damage OR (3) replacing the wording on Djem So to read something like: "You can use the Riposte talent once per round instead of once per encounter. Prerequisites: Block, Riposte."
I also find Makashi and Jar'Kai need a boost. Therefore, I modify the Lightsaber Defense talent: The first time you pick Lightsaber Defense, you gain a +2 deflection bonus instead of +1 bonus. The second time you pick the talent, you gain the standard +1 bonus. This in turn improves Makashi and Jar’kai by a little bit.
I also find Niman weak, but I don’t have a house rule to improve it (yet).
My Star Wars Saga Edition RPG contributions:
Download my NPC statblocks, 4e style - Many NPC's for use in your campaign. Think of it like Threats of the Galaxy 2!
Combat and Skills Summary - A quick reference tool for combat rules and skill applications
Force Power Summary - A quick reference tool for all force powers
Post your NPC and encounter requests here - and a member of the community will create it for you
Saga Edition RPG resource documents & reference tools:
Compiled files of all resource documents & reference tools - NPCs, character sheets, Dawn of Defiance, Force and lightsaber form power cards, Jedi Counseling articles, NPC statblocks, Saga Index to all feats, talents, species, weapons, etc, Star Wars articles and web enhancements
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4 months ago ::
Jan 30, 2013 - 3:58PM
#25
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We summoned a devil once. All we used was the D&D books, too. It was pretty kwazy.
God of Arrested Development and Intelligence 
Resident Left Hand of Stalin and Banana Stand Grandstander
Pie-Cooling-On-A-Windowsill of the House of Trolls
In the morning HK'll be sober but you'll still be a meatbag.
I know I misspell "Danke" in my posts. It's an inside joke.
"Ten cents gets you nuts." -George Michael
Spoiler:
Show
''Being president is like running a cemetery: you've got a lot of people under you and nobody's listening.''
—Bill Clinton
You are not a moral man. There are not enough middle fingers in the world for you.
Actually, Santa just didn't like you. However, you weren't on the Naughty List, so he had to give you something "better" than coal.
I'd take coal. Heating your house is expesive, and engery cost arn't going down.
Mabey if i beat enough homeless people, i won't have to be cold this year. 
"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...
Whaaaaaat?!??
Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.
Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!
(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)
First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!
"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you?
-Daniel Jackson
"Fun will now commence."
-Seven of Nine
"Excellent."
-Mr. Burns.
Whey is a crotch.
Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that. 
There's so much you can do with insanity, especially when it has alot of resources.
1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank.
2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies.
3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up.
4. ???
5. Profit
I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."
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4 months ago ::
Feb 01, 2013 - 8:50PM
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Very fair and reasonable house rules for those forms richter. I have read a lot of articles with people saying that the forms you've mentioned don't do themselves justice, or have prereqs too high to worth taking.
Uh, nice lid there Corran..
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4 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 5:23AM
#27
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Date Joined:
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That campaign you're rolling out sounds pretty good. Though our GM is an experienced one, he has never done a SW game before, and though our group has many SW fans, we are all lids
Pretty random, I admit. I was bored. 
Vaapad could double critical range and increase threat range by 2, but also increase the cost of Force powers by 5.
We summoned a devil once. All we used was the D&D books, too. It was pretty kwazy.
God of Arrested Development and Intelligence
Resident Left Hand of Stalin and Banana Stand Grandstander
Pie-Cooling-On-A-Windowsill of the House of Trolls
In the morning HK'll be sober but you'll still be a meatbag.
I know I misspell "Danke" in my posts. It's an inside joke.
"Ten cents gets you nuts." -George Michael
Spoiler:
Show
''Being president is like running a cemetery: you've got a lot of people under you and nobody's listening.''
—Bill Clinton
You are not a moral man. There are not enough middle fingers in the world for you.
Actually, Santa just didn't like you. However, you weren't on the Naughty List, so he had to give you something "better" than coal.
I'd take coal. Heating your house is expesive, and engery cost arn't going down.
Mabey if i beat enough homeless people, i won't have to be cold this year.
"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...
Whaaaaaat?!??
Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.
Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!
(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)
First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!
"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you?
-Daniel Jackson
"Fun will now commence."
-Seven of Nine
"Excellent."
-Mr. Burns.
Whey is a crotch.
Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that.
There's so much you can do with insanity, especially when it has alot of resources.
1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank.
2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies.
3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up.
4. ???
5. Profit
I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."
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4 months ago ::
Feb 02, 2013 - 7:26PM
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That's pretty good: Critical Multiplier +1 (critical hits would do triple damage with lightsabers) Weapon Threat Range +2 (that's threaten critcal on a 17-20 with lightsabers), or Weapon Threat Range +2 (that's threaten critcal on a 17-20 with lightsabers) Critical Hit Attack Modifier +2, and Force Power Cost +5 BTW, a 'lid' is an aussie army term for a newbie who has no idea (is full of crap and always gets slammed) 
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4 months ago ::
Feb 03, 2013 - 7:44AM
#29
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Date Joined:
Jun 12, 2009
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I like it!
Re: lids- I was wondering, haha. Watch out-that coffee can be pretty hot!
We summoned a devil once. All we used was the D&D books, too. It was pretty kwazy.
God of Arrested Development and Intelligence
Resident Left Hand of Stalin and Banana Stand Grandstander
Pie-Cooling-On-A-Windowsill of the House of Trolls
In the morning HK'll be sober but you'll still be a meatbag.
I know I misspell "Danke" in my posts. It's an inside joke.
"Ten cents gets you nuts." -George Michael
Spoiler:
Show
''Being president is like running a cemetery: you've got a lot of people under you and nobody's listening.''
—Bill Clinton
You are not a moral man. There are not enough middle fingers in the world for you.
Actually, Santa just didn't like you. However, you weren't on the Naughty List, so he had to give you something "better" than coal.
I'd take coal. Heating your house is expesive, and engery cost arn't going down.
Mabey if i beat enough homeless people, i won't have to be cold this year.
"Heroes"...I wish I had those. I remember in my first-ever campaign one PC went around shootin all the unconscious baddies in the head to gain Dark Side Points...
Whaaaaaat?!??
Wow...way to waste perfectly good potential slaves.
Er...no wait I mean..uh...something not evil!
(Quotes screwed up on the next one, won't give the poster's name. It's in the Best Lines thread on the D&D forum)
First, an experience from a game I played in a few years back. Our DM didn't like 3.5 as a whole but liked parts of it. So he hands us a big ass rules packet for his modified FR campaign, complete with quotes from important NPC's on the front. I can't remember most of the HRs, just that some how gods like Cyric and Bhaal existed at the same time, despite the obvious problems there. In the end the game became a problem more because of the railroading than the HRs, but it ended with this classic line, after our ranger tried to disarm the strange woman following us WITH HIS BOW: DM: You just killed (insert random noble sounding name here) JP: Was she important? Jack: Dude, she's quoted on the front of the rules packet!
"Why in the wide,wide, world of all things irrational would I help you?
-Daniel Jackson
"Fun will now commence."
-Seven of Nine
"Excellent."
-Mr. Burns.
Whey is a crotch.
Cut the last encounter on your way out after dealing with the Darth. He's the BBEG. Treat him as such. Play up that Darth Revan is THAT much of a badarse. When the shuttle landed, I had no less than 13 JEDI MASTERS step off the shuttle. The PCs were slack-jawed. After the meetup with Bastila (as she's carrying Revan's body), only TWO jedi masters remained with her. Let me tell you, the player whining about not getting to fight Revan himself shut up pretty quickly when he saw that.
There's so much you can do with insanity, especially when it has alot of resources.
1. Cleric cast protection from fire on Tank.
2. Tank goes in and get surrounded by enemies.
3. Wizard cast fireball and blows them up.
4. ???
5. Profit
I go by the saying," If it ain't friendly fire then it's not working."
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4 months ago ::
Feb 07, 2013 - 12:06AM
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Date Joined:
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Haha.
I admit I don't have much for any of the other forms. especially Trakat. There doesn/t seem to be much info out there for that form at all..
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