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1 year ago ::
Mar 30, 2012 - 5:06AM
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If a device has the prototype template, can it have the same Tech Specialist upgrade twice?
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Setting: Tomb with a perilous bridge and cliff 100 feet above a lava pit.
Mummy pops out of his sarcophagus, initiative:
Felix, Half-Elf Artificer: Twin Strike with crossbow.
Trump (ala Donald), Eladrin Warlord: Charges mummy with Opening Shove, pushing off the cliff. Mummy fails saving throw, and falls into pit.
Sanshiro (ala Japanese "superhero" Segata), Minotaur Barbarian: Strength check to lift sarcophagus and carry to cliff. Free action, drop sarcophagus into square above mummy. Sarcophagus drops on mummy, shoving him further down into lava.
Mummy: proceeds to make a series of horrible athletics checks to swim and climb cliff. Dies a horrible death with lava permeating every orifice.
Entire Party: Watches on in delight, faces alit with the glow of lava and flaming undead.
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I soap myself up, and turn up the hot water in the shower, so my sweat mixes with the soap, slickening my skin: +5 to grapple
I use my own legs as a shield since only upper-body hits matter: +5 defense
I use my teammates bodies to construct a vehicle for myself, and dual-wield their weapons because as long as I win, we all win: +10 attack, +10 defense
I completely ignore the enemy, their attacks, the devastating damage they are dealing to me and my team, and strike directly for their base, completely obliterating them, their way of life, and any chance they had at survival as a species: WIN
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1 year ago ::
Mar 30, 2012 - 8:10AM
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I don't know about RAW, but I'd say no because the upgrade would be providing essentially the same bonus. I'm aware that it doesn't specify equipment bonuses and such, I just think it makes sense that you couldn't upgrade an item twice in the same way.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 30, 2012 - 8:42AM
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I thought the rationalization would be that since it is a prototype, maybe it was built with new, cutting-edge processed, like doubling up on Superior Mastercraft to get a +4 increase to equipment bonus.
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Yes, I killed your BBEG with his own lair:
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Setting: Tomb with a perilous bridge and cliff 100 feet above a lava pit.
Mummy pops out of his sarcophagus, initiative:
Felix, Half-Elf Artificer: Twin Strike with crossbow.
Trump (ala Donald), Eladrin Warlord: Charges mummy with Opening Shove, pushing off the cliff. Mummy fails saving throw, and falls into pit.
Sanshiro (ala Japanese "superhero" Segata), Minotaur Barbarian: Strength check to lift sarcophagus and carry to cliff. Free action, drop sarcophagus into square above mummy. Sarcophagus drops on mummy, shoving him further down into lava.
Mummy: proceeds to make a series of horrible athletics checks to swim and climb cliff. Dies a horrible death with lava permeating every orifice.
Entire Party: Watches on in delight, faces alit with the glow of lava and flaming undead.
Original CharOpper
Show
I soap myself up, and turn up the hot water in the shower, so my sweat mixes with the soap, slickening my skin: +5 to grapple
I use my own legs as a shield since only upper-body hits matter: +5 defense
I use my teammates bodies to construct a vehicle for myself, and dual-wield their weapons because as long as I win, we all win: +10 attack, +10 defense
I completely ignore the enemy, their attacks, the devastating damage they are dealing to me and my team, and strike directly for their base, completely obliterating them, their way of life, and any chance they had at survival as a species: WIN
Ender: The Original CharOpper and Power Gamer.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 30, 2012 - 2:08PM
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No, it can't be done. Reread the TS feat, it is stated that you can't add the same trait twice.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 31, 2012 - 1:42PM
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If a device has the prototype template, can it have the same Tech Specialist upgrade twice?
While this wont work, at least not with the prototype template, there are other ways that it might work...
If you complete a destiny, instead of the normal bonus you could create a legacy item. I will give you a quote from the web article that I have a copy of...
Quote from: Web Enhancement: Knights of the Old Republic 4(?)
Creating Heirloom Items
In order for an heirloom item to come into being, the item must be present when a character fulfills his or her destiny (as per the
Destiny mechanic on page 112 of the Saga Edition Core Rulebook). When a character fulfills his or her destiny, instead of gaining the
"Destiny Fulfilled" effect of that destiny, he or she can instead choose to create an heirloom item. That character then chooses one of
the following effects, which is applied to a particular weapon, suit of armor, or item in the character's possession at the moment the
destiny is fulfilled. Typically this item is one of particular significance to the character.
Additionally, when a character with an unfulfilled destiny dies while in pursuit of his or her destiny, instead of the normal effect
(Force Spirit, Noble Sacrifice, or Vengeance) that character can choose to create an heirloom item instead.
The possible heirloom item effects are discussed below.
Extra Modifications
When an item becomes an heirloom item, you can choose to convert one of the item's equipment bonuses into a destiny bonus instead.
Additionally, if the equipment bonus converted to a destiny bonus is from a modification made with the Tech Specialist feat (see page
21 of Starships of the Galaxy), the bonus is no longer considered to be the result of a modification -- it has just become an inherent
bonus of the item -- and another modification can be made to the item with the Tech Specialist feat. Thus, the old bonus no longer
counts toward the one-per-item limit inherent in the feat.
Legendary Icon
When an item becomes an heirloom item, its fame spreads throughout the galaxy. When carrying the heirloom item in plain sight (not
concealed), you gain favorable circumstances on all Charisma-based skill checks (except Use the Force) provided that you are dealing
with another character or droid at the time.
Steeped in the Dark Side
When an item possessed by an agent of evil becomes an heirloom item, some of that evil becomes a part of the item itself. When
carrying or using the heirloom item, once per encounter you can gain a destiny bonus equal to one-half your Dark Side Score to any one
attack roll or skill check. Doing so increases your Dark Side Score by 1.
Symbol of the Light
When an item possessed by a scion of good becomes an heirloom item, it becomes a beacon of light that staves off the darkness. When
carrying or using the heirloom item, once per encounter, as a reaction, you can impose a destiny penalty to any one attack roll or skill
check made by a character with a Dark Side Score of 1 or higher. This destiny penalty is equal to the target's Dark Side Score.
The extra modification option may be what you are looking for, yes?
Also remember that the modifications from Superior Tech can always be used instead if you have access to the right feats...
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1 year ago ::
Apr 16, 2012 - 7:08AM
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I thought the rationalization would be that since it is a prototype, maybe it was built with new, cutting-edge processed, like doubling up on Superior Mastercraft to get a +4 increase to equipment bonus.
How do you get +4? Mastercraft Device grants a +1 bonus.
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1 year ago ::
Apr 16, 2012 - 2:26PM
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How you get a +4?
Unless you start with an item that has a +2 bonus, that is pretty hard to pull of. But you have too use the Superior Tech feat to add +2. If you make a legacy item you can turn that into a destiny bonus. Then you could possibly add the same trait again, as a destiny and equipment bonus should stack.
Now the OP would like to pull the same trick with the prototype template, but that just won't fly. As you can't add the same trait twice. With the possible exception of legacy items, as they turn your upgrade in to something else. Thus you would not be adding the same thing, see?
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