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2 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2011 - 9:57AM
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Hey! What happened to the Mandalorian discussion? As this thread can't be derailed, I'll steer the conversation back in that direction.  My opinion on the matter is: when the non-violent group came to power, they might have built that giant, advanced city; kind of as a rejection of all their war-like ancestry. If all the old Mandos lived in the country and farmed, then they were going to live in a city and have all their food imported. The Mandos who didn't like the anti-war crowd stayed in the country and kept farming. Of course, when the old school Mandos took back over, they most likely destroyed the city, as it was really a monument against them. Ken nu jukad sha Mando'a...Kind of farfeched, but that's what you get when you have a bunch of people at The Clone Wars series making episodes without checking out what they might be ruining in the process. 
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2 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2011 - 11:06AM
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Random thought: "You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take her away!" - precedes - "Hurry. The Alliance should be assembled by now"
... by 3+ years...
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2 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2011 - 11:17AM
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Kind of farfeched, but that's what you get when you have a bunch of people at The Clone Wars series making episodes without checking out what they might be ruining in the process.
Precisely why Lucas can't be bothered with EU, and I agree with him.
Really, if you created this huge franchise and you wanted to add new material to it, would you honestly pore over the vastly expansive material that others have written and tiptoe about every little line to make sure what you write for your universe doesn't contradict what someone else wrote in your universe?
At 66 years old, I sure as hell wouldn't...
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2 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2011 - 12:57PM
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Kind of farfeched, but that's what you get when you have a bunch of people at The Clone Wars series making episodes without checking out what they might be ruining in the process.
Precisely why Lucas can't be bothered with EU, and I agree with him.
Really, if you created this huge franchise and you wanted to add new material to it, would you honestly pore over the vastly expansive material that others have written and tiptoe about every little line to make sure what you write for your universe doesn't contradict what someone else wrote in your universe?
At 66 years old, I sure as hell wouldn't...
I agree 100%.
Oh no, my young Jedi. You will find that it is you who are mistaken, about a great many things.
Winner of the Winner of You Build the Character #34: Padme Amidala
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2 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2011 - 2:21PM
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I mean, ESB is set 3 years after ANH.
Is it? To me, the opening crawl for ESB suggests that it happens maybe a few weeks to a few months after ANH.
You must unlearn what you have learned...
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2 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2011 - 3:41PM
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I mean, ESB is set 3 years after ANH.
Is it? To me, the opening crawl for ESB suggests that it happens maybe a few weeks to a few months after ANH.
You must unlearn what you have learned...
*sigh*
No, nowhere in the film does it say 3 years. But the Rebel Alliance had the time to set up an entire base on Hoth. It wasn't the fanciest ever, but it had full electricity, properly carved out passageways, a command centre, hygenic medical bays, a hangar etc etc. And they'd had time to domesticate the tauntauns.
That's not a few months work. That is a major operation. And the Rebellion doesn't exactly strike me as the kind of operation with an unlimited construction budget.
And you can't argue that they already had it set up by ANH, because the crawl explicitly tells us that it was Luke who led the Alliance there.
And we don't even know how long it took them to find Hoth. Yeah, sure, they could have found it the day after Yavin, but how likely does that sound, even for Star Wars? I reckon at least a week or two would be spent just looking. At least. If not months and months of Rebel scouts scouring the galaxy for a planet that was isolated and uninhabited but also capable of supporting human (and humanoid) life. I mean, it obviously took the Empire a great deal of effort to track them down, even with an obsessive commander like Vader at the helm, so it must have taken the Rebels equally as long.
And Luke's a commander now. Even blowing up the Death Star doesn't get you from complete rookie to commander in a week.
Oh, and then we get into the fact that in this time Vader has learnt Luke's his son. Considering that this is not exactly public knowledge (as was established in an earlier thread), it must have taken some effort, even for a Sith Lord, to find this out.
So yeah, at a minimum you're talking a year. Three feels more natural anyway - it's the amount of time that passed in the real world, so the aging of the characters matches the aging of the actors.
The only thing I can think that woudl support a short passage of time is the speeders not having adapted to the cold. But that's just as easily explained by (a) the speeders being new, or (b) it's really difficult to adapt them to the cold.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2011 - 3:48PM
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And Luke's a commander now. Even blowing up the Death Star doesn't get you from complete rookie to commander in a week.
Not to derail this thread ...
But apparently, if you save earth from Romulans-from-the-future, you can get promoted from cadet to captain of a flagship .
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2 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2011 - 4:04PM
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Not to derail this thread ...
Haven't you heard? This is the thread that can never be derailed. 
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2 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2011 - 4:06PM
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RE: the Mandalorian continuity: I remember this whole thing blowing up on the forums back when it was first announced and Traviss had had her little hissy fit and everything. It was around the time that the Star Wars Essential Atlas came out, and I remember reading through it and finding a little bit of info that kind of reconciles the issue. It's in the description of the planet Mandalore (on page 77, for anyone following along): first it talks about how "... the sector was devastated by Jedi-led Republic troops in the 730s, a disaster that led the so-called New Mandalorians to renounce violence in an effort to save their planet. For centuries, the New Mandalorians were ascendant, opposed only by splinter groups of nomads arguing with one another about who was the proper heir to the old ways. Yet these revanchists would eventually put an end to the New Mandalorians, and make Mandalorian armor once more an emblem of fear in the Outer Rim. Mandalore's return to its warrior roots couldn't stop its fortunres from taking a downward turn during the Empire's reign, however ...".
I don't know if that helps. Plus, the Atlas is technically an EU source, so I guess you can take it or leave it. But still ... it looks like somebody at least tried ... right?
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2 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2011 - 5:23PM
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I mean, ESB is set 3 years after ANH.
Is it? To me, the opening crawl for ESB suggests that it happens maybe a few weeks to a few months after ANH.
I think the three years thing is in the novelization of ESB.
But apparently, if you save earth from Romulans-from-the-future, you can get promoted from cadet to captain of a flagship .
 Such a terrible movie.
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