Hmm. A poster I've never heard of with a reference to D&D 4th Ed. in his sig praising a fellow never-before-seen poster about his skewed data. Seems like you two probably know each other, but that is neither here nor there.
Irrelevant. Whether you've heard of him or not has no bearing. And if his data is "skewed", how do we know your thoughts aren't skewed, either?
Just because someone says "this is how it is" doesn't make it true.
This statement contradicts the rest of your post. Just because you tell us "how it is" doesn't make it true, either.
Irrelevant. Whether you've heard of him or not has no bearing. And if his data is "skewed", how do we know your thoughts aren't skewed, either?This statement contradicts the rest of your post. Just because you tell us "how it is" doesn't make i
Hmm. A poster I've never heard of with a reference to D&D 4th Ed. in his sig praising a fellow never-before-seen poster about his skewed data. Seems like you two probably know each other, but that is neither here nor there.
Irrelevant. Whether you've heard of him or not has no bearing. And if his data is "skewed", how do we know your thoughts aren't skewed, either?
Just because someone says "this is how it is" doesn't make it true.
This statement contradicts the rest of your post. Just because you tell us "how it is" doesn't make it true, either.
It's so fun to see people who have nothing constructive to add try to attack people by attempting to turn their words back on them like a 3rd grader would do. Saying that things are "facts" like GVE did is not at all like what's going on from the more intelligent members in this discussion. Anyways, I'm so sick of "arguments" like this one C-3P0 "made". They have no actual insight or argument so they try to fabricate double standards in other people's posts.
Irrelevant. Whether you've heard of him or not has no bearing. And if his data is "skewed", how do we know your thoughts aren't skewed, either?This statement contradicts the rest of your post. Just because you tell us "how it is" doesn't make i
Hmm. A poster I've never heard of with a reference to D&D 4th Ed. in his sig praising a fellow never-before-seen poster about his skewed data. Seems like you two probably know each other, but that is neither here nor there.
Irrelevant. Whether you've heard of him or not has no bearing. And if his data is "skewed", how do we know your thoughts aren't skewed, either?
Which thoughts, exactly? The ones where I demonstrate WHY the data is skewed, and present the relevant additional information? To quote one of my favorite television characters of all time, "That which you know, you ignore because it is inconvenient, and that which you do not know, you invent."
But you ask, how can you know my thoughts aren't skewed? Well I can tell you how. Because I look at ALL the data, not just the stuff that is spoon-fed to me (ie product x did something product y did not and thus yielded better results as opposed to straight up saying product x outsold product y and thus must mean that Brand Z is increasing in sales and customers). My thoughts are based on ALL the data and I pay attention to everything that is said and written, not just that which defends my own argument. I have yet to see or hear anything that says things at WotC are fine. In fact, WotC people will be the first to tell you that things are not fine. I've been around here a very long time. If you are having to ask that question of me it means you either don't know how serious I take the decision to offer an opinion, or you are just ignoring that fact. Either way, you need to understand that I trust my instinct and I believe in educated opinions 100 percent. The same cannot be said for others here.
Just because someone says "this is how it is" doesn't make it true.
This statement contradicts the rest of your post. Just because you tell us "how it is" doesn't make it true, either.
Fair enough, but let's keep in mind I am not the only one saying it, and there are people saying it with a lot better resources and contacts at WotC than I have had over the last few years.
Irrelevant. Whether you've heard of him or not has no bearing. And if his data is "skewed", how do we know your thoughts aren't skewed, either?Which thoughts, exactly? The ones where I demonstrate WHY the data is skewed, and present the relevant
It's so fun to see people who have nothing constructive to add try to attack people by attempting to turn their words back on them like a 3rd grader would do. Saying that things are "facts" like GVE did is not at all like what's going on from the more intelligent members in this discussion. Anyways, I'm so sick of "arguments" like this one C-3P0 "made". They have no actual insight or argument so they try to fabricate double standards in other people's posts.
Glad you find it entertaining. Kind of makes me wonder why you didn't make the same comments about others who did the exact same thing earlier. I practically quoted someone, in fact.
Previous posters have made many points as to why others statemetns are BS or skewed or incorrect. ome have even made point-by-point refutations of things others have said, picking apart their arguments, and gone as far as telling people they clearly have no idea what's going on and to back out of the conversation. So, if I decide to point out why I don't buy someone's argument, why is it that you suddenly decide to jump on me? And please, take your insults elsewhere. It is very unbecoming.
Glad you find it entertaining. Kind of makes me wonder why you didn't make the same comments about others who did the exact same thing earlier. I practically quoted someone, in fact. Previous posters have made many points as to why others
Which thoughts, exactly? The ones where I demonstrate WHY the data is skewed, and present the relevant additional information? To quote one of my favorite television characters of all time, "That which you know, you ignore because it is inconvenient, and that which you do not know, you invent."
But you ask, how can you know my thoughts aren't skewed? Well I can tell you how. Because I look at ALL the data, not just the stuff that is spoon-fed to me (ie product x did something product y did not and thus yielded better results as opposed to straight up saying product x outsold product y and thus must mean that Brand Z is increasing in sales and customers). My thoughts are based on ALL the data and I pay attention to everything that is said and written, not just that which defends my own argument. I have yet to see or hear anything that says things at WotC are fine. In fact, WotC people will be the first to tell you that things are not fine. I've been around here a very long time. If you are having to ask that question of me it means you either don't know how serious I take the decision to offer an opinion, or you are just ignoring that fact. Either way, you need to understand that I trust my instinct and I believe in educated opinions 100 percent. The same cannot be said for others here.
But here's the problem, Boris. When you say you look at ALL the data, how can any of us know that, and verify what data you have? And who has been "spoon-fed" data? Where's the proof of that? I'll be honest, when someone makes a statemtent, and then someone else says "you don't know anything", or "you don't know the facts", but then does not present anything of their own, I don't buy it. I see a lot of people caliming things on this thread, but not a lot of proof. Some good theories, but it's hard to tell who to believe. So much of it requires that I take a baseline trust in the person who is making the statement, which I just don't like to do. Saying I need to understand that you trust your instict and believe in educated opinions 100 percent is asking me to trust and accept that as true. But, I am skeptical by nature. I asked you a few pages ago to calrify something you had claimed, and never heard a response. Now, before you think this is personal, it really isn't. I'm just pointing out that so many of the arguments being made here are based on the credentials/claims of the people making them. This isn't a personal challenge to you, Boris. It's just how I question things.
But here's the problem, Boris. When you say you look at ALL the data, how can any of us know that, and verify what data you have? And who has been "spoon-fed" data? Where's the proof of that? I'll be honest, when someone makes a statemtent, a
At the risk of being labeled a doom and gloom conspiracy theorist by people with their heads in the sand, Chris Perkins claimed the company is tapped out on creative ideas for the SW brand, specifically the minis. Seriously? Well if that's the case, then I can't imagine it will be very much longer before they are tapped out on ideas for the Magic and D&D lines as well.
Well said.
I'm another member of the faction that is almost happy about the fact that [after MotF] WOTC will never again see a dime of my money. They've utterly destroyed AD&D, a game I've been playing for over 30 years, for which they'll never be forgiven.
On the bright side, while we really love SWM, there are a few rules which we'd love to tweak even more than we already have with our house rules. Maybe now we'll just completely re-write some sections of the rules.
Well said.I'm another member of the faction that is almost happy about the fact that [after MotF] WOTC will never again see a dime of my money. They've utterly destroyed AD&D, a game I've been playing for over 30 years, for which they'll never be f
Which thoughts, exactly? The ones where I demonstrate WHY the data is skewed, and present the relevant additional information? To quote one of my favorite television characters of all time, "That which you know, you ignore because it is inconvenient, and that which you do not know, you invent."
But you ask, how can you know my thoughts aren't skewed? Well I can tell you how. Because I look at ALL the data, not just the stuff that is spoon-fed to me (ie product x did something product y did not and thus yielded better results as opposed to straight up saying product x outsold product y and thus must mean that Brand Z is increasing in sales and customers). My thoughts are based on ALL the data and I pay attention to everything that is said and written, not just that which defends my own argument. I have yet to see or hear anything that says things at WotC are fine. In fact, WotC people will be the first to tell you that things are not fine. I've been around here a very long time. If you are having to ask that question of me it means you either don't know how serious I take the decision to offer an opinion, or you are just ignoring that fact. Either way, you need to understand that I trust my instinct and I believe in educated opinions 100 percent. The same cannot be said for others here.
But here's the problem, Boris. When you say you look at ALL the data, how can any of us know that, and verify what data you have? And who has been "spoon-fed" data? Where's the proof of that? I'll be honest, when someone makes a statemtent, and then someone else says "you don't know anything", or "you don't know the facts", but then does not present anything of their own, I don't buy it. I see a lot of people caliming things on this thread, but not a lot of proof. Some good theories, but it's hard to tell who to believe. So much of it requires that I take a baseline trust in the person who is making the statement, which I just don't like to do. Saying I need to understand that you trust your instict and believe in educated opinions 100 percent is asking me to trust and accept that as true. But, I am skeptical by nature. I asked you a few pages ago to calrify something you had claimed, and never heard a response. Now, before you think this is personal, it really isn't. I'm just pointing out that so many of the arguments being made here are based on the credentials/claims of the people making them. This isn't a personal challenge to you, Boris. It's just how I question things.
Well you need to go back and reread my responses to GVEMatthew. I did in fact explain the data and why his results were half-truths. Is there something specifically that you don't understand, because I don't know how I can make it any plainer.
As for you asking me to clarify something, I don't recall that post. I will go back and look for it, and try to answer it.
I do not feel you are personally challenging me, by the way.
But here's the problem, Boris. When you say you look at ALL the data, how can any of us know that, and verify what data you have? And who has been "spoon-fed" data? Where's the proof of that? I'll be honest, when someone makes a statemtent, a
My thoughts are based on ALL the data and I pay attention to everything that is said and written. ***snip*** If you are having to ask that question of me it means you either don't know how serious I take the decision to offer an opinion, or you are just ignoring that fact.
lol, you sound like big brother, all knowing and all seing... infallible! as for how serious a situation is before you offer an opinion? lol, you've got 5k+ posts. you obviously are not soft spoken nor is your threshold for expressing your opinion very high. you have valuable knowledge and insight to the game and community but that doesn't mean your opinion is the end of the discussion. two people can look at the same set of facts and express different conclusions based on their spin yet still be both correct.
Well if that's the case, then I can't imagine it will be very much longer before they are tapped out on ideas for the Magic and D&D lines as well.
well, if they do, they can apparently alienate their customers again and dump 4th ed to come out with 5th! it'll be the same ideas, just repackaged with a slightly different candy coating.
lol, you sound like big brother, all knowing and all seing... infallible! as for how serious a situation is before you offer an opinion? lol, you've got 5k+ posts. you obviously are not soft spoken nor is your threshold for expressing your op
My thoughts are based on ALL the data and I pay attention to everything that is said and written. ***snip*** If you are having to ask that question of me it means you either don't know how serious I take the decision to offer an opinion, or you are just ignoring that fact.
lol, you sound like big brother, all knowing and all seing... infallible! as for how serious a situation is before you offer an opinion? lol, you've got 5k+ posts. you obviously are not soft spoken nor is your threshold for expressing your opinion very high. you have valuable knowledge and insight to the game and community but that doesn't mean your opinion is the end of the discussion. two people can look at the same set of facts and express different conclusions based on their spin yet still be both correct.
Nor did I mean to suggest it was the end of a discussion. You twisted what I said a little bit too. I didn't say I wait until a situation is serious enough for me to offer an opinion, I said I take my decision to state an opinion seriously, and after I have done my homework on the subject.
Also, the point I am making with GVEMatthew and the others that have rallied around him is that we are not looking at the same set of facts. His statistics as presented were based on apples to oranges comparisons that ignore critical details about WHY one particular product did better than the other. Since that post on my part in which I tried to point out the differences, the details have all but been ignored in favor of arguing the rightness or wrongness of the final points. To be honest, I'm not longer sure what the point of this discussion is, but I do know that to say SWM sets sold worse in the last 2 years is to ignore the fact that the set sizes were reduced, and that that had an impact on the sales. The same is true of the crap GVEMatt was spouting about one Magic set vs. another.
lol, you sound like big brother, all knowing and all seing... infallible! as for how serious a situation is before you offer an opinion? lol, you've got 5k+ posts. you obviously are not soft spoken nor is your threshold for expressing your op
By this I infer you to mean D&D 4th Edition. So the question is, what is the size of the market? How does that compare to 5 years ago? To 10 years ago? Does it specifically consist of tabletop roleplaying, or does it take in tabletop gaming, or all gaming? I suspect the answer to that last question is A, and that the "market" is strictly RPG. Given how few RPGs are out there now with active support and WotC's overzealousness at keeping the product in people's faces at every opportunity, it's no surprise it has such a majority.
This is simply to compare the sales of D&D against the sales of Saga Edition (which is part of the same LFL license as SWM).
Also, going back to look up the year end findings D&D 4th Edition is actually around 55% (the 70% figure includes 3rd party and GSL products [such as Pathfinder] still in production). World of Darkness is around 18%. Fantasy Flight's RPGs are around 10%. Pathfinder is around 5%. Saga Edition is around 2%. Despite its many awards and very loyal fan following, it simply isn't selling as well.
Thanks for actually sharing what I have always assumed based on what I saw first-hand while working at Borders.
Saga Edition came out and we had about 4 sales of the Core rulebook in the first month.
D&D 4th ed came out, and we had the Players Guide, DMG, and MM on the top 20 best sellers for the week.
Star wars minis came in, and we usually got about 6-12 boosters through it's entire run (with me, an employee, purchasing 2-4 boosters just because I could buy them on release day with a hefty discount while waiting for my cases)
D&D Minis came in, and we would have 20ish boosters and get re-supplied every month or so (less after the miniatures game died, but still)
I don't have any other core facts (I could have looked them up, if i still worked at borders) but just firsthand I can tell you, D&D can give away PDF's of some of their adventures and still outsell the competition hand and fist.
When i saw this picture, I thought it was hilarious and true.
This is simply to compare the sales of D&D against the sales of Saga Edition (which is part of the same LFL license as SWM). Also, going back to look up the year end findings D&D 4th Edition is actually around 55% (the 70% figure includes 3rd party
My thoughts are based on ALL the data and I pay attention to everything that is said and written. ***snip*** If you are having to ask that question of me it means you either don't know how serious I take the decision to offer an opinion, or you are just ignoring that fact.
lol, you sound like big brother, all knowing and all seing... infallible! as for how serious a situation is before you offer an opinion? lol, you've got 5k+ posts. you obviously are not soft spoken nor is your threshold for expressing your opinion very high. you have valuable knowledge and insight to the game and community but that doesn't mean your opinion is the end of the discussion. two people can look at the same set of facts and express different conclusions based on their spin yet still be both correct.
Nor did I mean to suggest it was the end of a discussion. You twisted what I said a little bit too. I didn't say I wait until a situation is serious enough for me to offer an opinion, I said I take my decision to state an opinion seriously, and after I have done my homework on the subject.
Also, the point I am making with GVEMatthew and the others that have rallied around him is that we are not looking at the same set of facts. His statistics as presented were based on apples to oranges comparisons that ignore critical details about WHY one particular product did better than the other. Since that post on my part in which I tried to point out the differences, the details have all but been ignored in favor of arguing the rightness or wrongness of the final points. To be honest, I'm not longer sure what the point of this discussion is, but I do know that to say SWM sets sold worse in the last 2 years is to ignore the fact that the set sizes were reduced, and that that had an impact on the sales. The same is true of the crap GVEMatt was spouting about one Magic set vs. another.
While it may be true that the set size had something to do with sales decreases lets not forget that this decrease also conincides with the tanking of the economy.
I know that my friends and I stopped playing almost entirely and it had nothing to do with set sizes.
lol, you sound like big brother, all knowing and all seing... infallible! as for how serious a situation is before you offer an opinion? lol, you've got 5k+ posts. you obviously are not soft spoken nor is your threshold for expressing your op
AS far as plumbing the depths that is a load of crap. Point to me anywhere in this game where we have a toydarian. You cant tell me Watto wasnt a part of the movies. The first alien race of the CW cartoon were the Toydarians with Yoda. EU - Do the EU characters get any bigger than Admiral Palleaon? He has been around longer than any other EU character since the 92 revival. There are tons of remakes and better figs people want (jaina, sword of the Jedi, etc). You aint exhausted S*** (generic you not personal you).
AS far as plumbing the depths that is a load of crap. Point to me anywhere in this game where we have a toydarian. You cant tell me Watto wasnt a part of the movies. The first alien race of the CW cartoon were the Toydarians with Yoda. EU - D
Thanks for actually sharing what I have always assumed based on what I saw first-hand while working at Borders.
Saga Edition came out and we had about 4 sales of the Core rulebook in the first month.
D&D 4th ed came out, and we had the Players Guide, DMG, and MM on the top 20 best sellers for the week.
Not to get too far off topic, but...
But are the 4E books still selling well? I help out at a comic & game shop & we sold TONS of 4E stuff right away. Not a single person I know who bought 4E plays it. Many have asked to trade in their 4E books for 3.5.
The store is mainly a comic shop, with about 1/3 of the square footage set aside for gaming tables. SWM is BY FAR the most common game played there and we sell a fair amount of minis for the size and location of the market.
Not to get too far off topic, but...But are the 4E books still selling well? I help out at a comic & game shop & we sold TONS of 4E stuff right away. Not a single person I know who bought 4E plays it. Many have asked to trade in their 4E books
Assuming you believe the numbers available for late 2009 coming out of distributors, yes, in comparison to SWRPG.
From the ranking chart, D&D was #1 while SWRPG was not in the top 5.
From the market-share chart, D&D was around 50% while SWRPG was around 2%, so D&D outselling SWRPG by roughly 20 to 1.
No one has posted unit sales numbers so you could theoretically argue that both are good or both are horrible or anywhere in between but when you talk about comparatively, D&D is clearly top of the heap in todays market, and outselling SWRPG by a wide margin.
Assuming you believe the numbers available for late 2009 coming out of distributors, yes, in comparison to SWRPG.From the ranking chart, D&D was #1 while SWRPG was not in the top 5.From the market-share chart, D&D was around 50% while SWRPG was arou
AS far as plumbing the depths that is a load of crap. Point to me anywhere in this game where we have a toydarian. You cant tell me Watto wasnt a part of the movies. The first alien race of the CW cartoon were the Toydarians with Yoda. EU - Do the EU characters get any bigger than Admiral Palleaon? He has been around longer than any other EU character since the 92 revival. There are tons of remakes and better figs people want (jaina, sword of the Jedi, etc). You aint exhausted S*** (generic you not personal you).
I have to admit that statement by Chris Perkins really ruffled my feathers and really sounds like a bunch of crap, if that was the case you really need to hire someone who knew more about the Star Wars Galaxy. I have no proof, but I would have to say the vast majority of Star Wars fans know at least something about the EU. Yeah there are purists, and yeah there are certain individuals who dont like this or that. Some favor OT, others PT, others EU, and still others like one but not the other. I can come up with roughly 20 miniatures alone from Episode 1(people, droids, aliens) with speaking parts that aren't in the game, there are leaders from important groups from the movies without a mini from that era(Mon Mothma (Rebel & New Republic), Boss Nass, Poggle the Lesser) and a plethera of Eu characters that show up on list after list of wanted miniatures. No more plumbing left to plumb? I call BS!!! We don't even have some of the basics! I can name a good dozen or more. Granted a lot of people don't know every character. I personally am biased towards certain eras (as is everyone), factions, characters, but there are plenty of undone characters left for everyone. I wouldn't begrudge another ewok in place of a toydarian, because realisticly there are people out there who would rather have another ewok. The Star Wars Universe is large and everyone should get something to make them happy at some point. If people didn't want more characters then you wouldn't see all this effort by various groups to make virtual sets and finish what Wotc started. I am sorry Chris, sounds like towing the company line to me, which is fine, but don't try to force that crap down my throat. It simply just isn't true.
As for the Rpg, West End Games had close to 100 books!(1988-1997) and that doesn't even include the prequels, and all the novels, comics, video games etc post 1997, you guys did something under 15!(for Saga, not sure how many they had the first go maybeo 10-25?) Granted not all the WEG books are great, and some are first edition books reprinted in second edition format, but give me a break. Lies Lies Lies. Much of the Expanded Universe we have today has its roots in the WEG game. When there wasn't a lot of SW material they created it and gave life to a much bigger universe. Your run on the SWrpg will be a "also ran". (You did flesh out the prequels, Clone Wars) Again if that is all the Star Wars you could come up with, you had the wrong people working for you.
I have to admit that statement by Chris Perkins really ruffled my feathers and really sounds like a bunch of crap, if that was the case you really need to hire someone who knew more about the Star Wars Galaxy. I have no proof, but I would have to s
It's so fun to see people who have nothing constructive to add try to attack people by attempting to turn their words back on them like a 3rd grader would do. Saying that things are "facts" like GVE did is not at all like what's going on from the more intelligent members in this discussion. Anyways, I'm so sick of "arguments" like this one C-3P0 "made". They have no actual insight or argument so they try to fabricate double standards in other people's posts.
Glad you find it entertaining. Kind of makes me wonder why you didn't make the same comments about others who did the exact same thing earlier. I practically quoted someone, in fact.
Previous posters have made many points as to why others statemetns are BS or skewed or incorrect. ome have even made point-by-point refutations of things others have said, picking apart their arguments, and gone as far as telling people they clearly have no idea what's going on and to back out of the conversation. So, if I decide to point out why I don't buy someone's argument, why is it that you suddenly decide to jump on me? And please, take your insults elsewhere. It is very unbecoming.
The point where you took it too far for me was when you completey disregarded the differences betweem Boris' and GVE's statements. GVE claimed all these "facts", claiming what was supposedly undoubtedly true. How did anyone else claim their views as fact? Boris, for example said repeatedly it was in his educated opinion. That's quite different from saying it's a fact, like GVE did. What I'm sick of is people with NOTHING worthwhile to add all of a sudden coming around and attacking people that are supposedly trying to boss people around, when in reality they are just stating their opinions. You obviosuly don't have any valid points to support GVE so you attack the other side by blowing out of proportion how the statements were made. Really, if you should be after anybody for trying to shove his opinion down someones throat, you should be after GVE; he's the only one who keeps claiming (skewed) "facts." To go after someone other than GVE with this sentence: "Just because you tell us "how it is" doesn't make it true, either." is just not fair to anyone involved. Sorry you feel insulted, but it's not my fault you're the one who has no points to make other than some half-baked claims of hypocrisy or double standard, when in reality you are the one with the double standard issues.
Glad you find it entertaining. Kind of makes me wonder why you didn't make the same comments about others who did the exact same thing earlier. I practically quoted someone, in fact. Previous posters have made many points as to why others
The point where you took it too far for me was when you completey disregarded the differences betweem Boris' and GVE's statements. GVE claimed all these "facts", claiming what was supposedly undoubtedly true. How did anyone else claim their views as fact? Boris, for example said repeatedly it was in his educated opinion. That's quite different from saying it's a fact, like GVE did. What I'm sick of is people with NOTHING worthwhile to add all of a sudden coming around and attacking people that are supposedly trying to boss people around, when in reality they are just stating their opinions. You obviosuly don't have any valid points to support GVE so you attack the other side by blowing out of proportion how the statements were made. Really, if you should be after anybody for trying to shove his opinion down someones throat, you should be after GVE; he's the only one who keeps claiming (skewed) "facts." To go after someone other than GVE with this sentence: "Just because you tell us "how it is" doesn't make it true, either." is just not fair to anyone involved. Sorry you feel insulted, but it's not my fault you're the one who has no points to make other than some half-baked claims of hypocrisy or double standard, when in reality you are the one with the double standard issues.
I'm sorry. Did you think I was defending GVE? Did I say that somewhere? I think you brought a basketball to a football game. Now, you may have issues with GVE, but that does not mean I have to address his statemets. You never know, I may simply be ingoring him because I find his comments irrelevent. I don't seem to recall ever saying I supported the guy, nor stated the intention to defend him. So, maybe that's why I never presented and "valid points" to do so. I can ask questions of whoever I want. If you want to read into my intentions, that is your choice. However, keep in mind that questioning someone does not necessarily equate to attacking.
I think I've made myself fairly clear to Boris as to my issues, as he had done for me, and he appears to be ok with it. He doesn't seem to be taking it personally, anyway, like some others are. It seems to bother you more than him, and I wasn't even addressing you. Fortunately, he hasn't responded with insults, etc., and for that, I respect him more. His civility in his responses, while quite likely disagreeing with what I've said, lend more credence to his opinions in my eyes.
I'm sorry. Did you think I was defending GVE? Did I say that somewhere? I think you brought a basketball to a football game. Now, you may have issues with GVE, but that does not mean I have to address his statemets. You never know, I may si
The point where you took it too far for me was when you completey (sic) disregarded the differences between Boris' and GVE's statements. GVE claimed all these "facts", claiming what was supposedly undoubtedly true. How did anyone else claim their views as fact? Boris, for example said repeatedly it was in his educated opinion. That's quite different from saying it's a fact, like GVE did. What I'm sick of is people with NOTHING worthwhile to add all of a sudden coming around and attacking people that are supposedly trying to boss people around, when in reality they are just stating their opinions. You obviosuly (sic) don't have any valid points to support GVE so you attack the other side by blowing out of proportion how the statements were made. Really, if you should be after anybody for trying to shove his opinion down someones (sic) throat, you should be after GVE; he's the only one who keeps claiming (skewed) "facts." To go after someone other than GVE with this sentence: "Just because you tell us "how it is" doesn't make it true, either." is just not fair to anyone involved. Sorry you feel insulted, but it's not my fault you're the one who has no points to make other than some half-baked claims of hypocrisy or double standard, when in reality you are the one with the double standard issues.
I don't remember anyone but you disputing the 'facts' of GVE's post. Posters such as BTD have disputed the relevance of the 'facts' (apples to oranges as BTD would write) or the conclusions drawn from them, but not the 'facts' themselves. This is a discussion, it should not be about winning, losing or attacking a poster for stating an honestly held and 'informed' belief. GVE is an industry insider, that doesn't mean he is right, simply that he should be worth reading. Your recent posts in this thread are guilty of the very things you are decrying. I know that you are better than that.
I don't remember anyone but you disputing the 'facts' of GVE's post. Posters such as BTD have disputed the relevance of the 'facts' (apples to oranges as BTD would write) or the conclusions drawn from them, but not the 'facts' themselves. This is
yeah, it's drama queen crap like this that I was going after in the first place, but all it's doing is taking more space. Whatever, keep on going after the wrong people for the wrong reasons blowing their statements out of proportion while not applying the same standards to everyone. I was never trying to force you to stop. I was just hoping you'd actually focus on something worthwhile. Whatever, I doubt you understand that you are in the middle of a huge double standard, so I'm not gonna focus any more of my attention on it.
yeah, it's drama queen crap like this that I was going after in the first place, but all it's doing is taking more space. Whatever, keep on going after the wrong people for the wrong reasons blowing their statements out of proportion while not apply
yeah, it's drama queen crap like this that I was going after in the first place, but all it's doing is taking more space. Whatever, keep on going after the wrong people for the wrong reasons blowing their statements out of proportion while not applying the same standards to everyone. I was never trying to force you to stop. I was just hoping you'd actually focus on something worthwhile. Whatever, I doubt you understand that you are in the middle of a huge double standard, so I'm not gonna focus any more of my attention on it.
Yeah, well, I didn't think you'd understand. But thanks for offering not to focus any more attention on it. I was scared I was going to be called a 3rd grader again!
Yeah, well, I didn't think you'd understand. But thanks for offering not to focus any more attention on it. I was scared I was going to be called a 3rd grader again!
Assuming you believe the numbers available for late 2009 coming out of distributors, yes, in comparison to SWRPG.
From the ranking chart, D&D was #1 while SWRPG was not in the top 5.
From the market-share chart, D&D was around 50% while SWRPG was around 2%, so D&D outselling SWRPG by roughly 20 to 1.
No one has posted unit sales numbers so you could theoretically argue that both are good or both are horrible or anywhere in between but when you talk about comparatively, D&D is clearly top of the heap in todays market, and outselling SWRPG by a wide margin.
Well again, I think a clearer picture is important here. How many D&D corebooks were produced? How many SW corebooks? Were distributors discouraged from pushing SW corebooks? Were they encouraged to push D&D corebooks?
A single pair of numbers compared against each other are meaningless without the proper context and an understanding of all the variables.
Assuming you believe the numbers available for late 2009 coming out of distributors, yes, in comparison to SWRPG.From the ranking chart, D&D was #1 while SWRPG was not in the top 5.From the market-share chart, D&D was around 50% while SWRPG was arou
It's true that Magic and D&D may not be "failing," but let's face it. WotC is having to pull out all the stops and put all their energy into keeping those lines going
I think both lines are doing fairly well, not great, but I believe tabletop gaming in general has been on the decline for years. The online DDI stuff is great, and I think it's been a major point of focus for 4e. Aside from all that we had some great conversation at DDXP 2010 regarding the future of WotC. I think the new direction is an attempt to make Wizards a highly profitable division. If it doesn't work out I, and many other RPGers, believe Hasbro will sell off WotC by 2015. The most interesting conversation actually revolved around who is large enough to purchase WotC? Several of us speculated about a few of the large fantasy publishers, like Del Rey Books or perhaps Bantam Books.
I think both lines are doing fairly well, not great, but I believe tabletop gaming in general has been on the decline for years. The online DDI stuff is great, and I think it's been a major point of focus for 4e. Aside from all that we had some g
Several of us speculated about a few of the large fantasy publishers, like Del Rey Books or perhaps Bantam Books.
Both are owned by Random House if memory servers (in turn owned by Bertelsmann AG). Bertelsmann are into book and magazine publishing, broadcasting, and music. All industries that are currently in trouble. It would be somewhat poetic for them to enter another industry that doesn't make money but I can't see it happening. You never know though.
Both are owned by Random House if memory servers (in turn owned by Bertelsmann AG). Bertelsmann are into book and magazine publishing, broadcasting, and music. All industries that are currently in trouble. It would be somewhat poetic for the
Lets face it gentlemen, i can see that after they stop SWM there gonna be hit hard but all the customers they lose.And you know what will happen then...D & D minis are next.The minis already shoddy compared to their predecesors and have cointinued down that road.I can safely assume that in the next year or so we are gonna get another announcement for them.
Lets face it gentlemen, i can see that after they stop SWM there gonna be hit hard but all the customers they lose.And you know what will happen then...D & D minis are next.The minis already shoddy compared to their predecesors and have cointinued do
Not at all sarcastic. I saw photo mock ups (which have been taken down now) just this week. Word is we'll see something at Toy Fair. I think the series you're thinking of is the Attactix line that had some early success but ran out of steam quickly. The images I saw were the standard 3.75" figures with special stands. It looks like they're trying to merge three markets: kids, adult collectors, and gamers.
Actually I was talking about these (link), though Attacktix is another good example.
Anyway,while I'm open to the concept that Hasbro might start packing game stat cards with their 3.75" line I'm inclined to say "prove it or it doesn't exist". I saw photo mock ups which have been taken down now, is hardly the most corroborating evidence.
IT EXISTS! Here's your corroborating evidence Tharag. It shows a nice pic of the new 3.75" action figures with stat cards that Hasbro is putting out this year. The idea is to extend action figure play into a game format.
Actually I was talking about these (), though Attacktix is another good example.Anyway,while I'm open to the concept that Hasbro might start packing game stat cards with their 3.75" line I'm inclined to say "prove it or it doesn't exist". I saw pho
I hope Hasbro's "Hot new game mechanic" is better than it appears. Otherwise you might as well each hold a figure in your right hand while rolling a d6 with the other and the high roll wins!
Sigh....
Wow...I hope Hasbro's "Hot new game mechanic" is better than it appears. Otherwise you might as well each hold a figure in your right hand while rolling a d6 with the other and the high roll wins!Sigh....
I swear there was an article about the 3.75" figure game on starwars.com the other day, but now I can't find it. Has anyone else seen it? Judging by the pic posted above, I'm not impressed.
I swear there was an article about the 3.75" figure game on starwars.com the other day, but now I cant find it. Has anyone else seen it? Judging by the pic posted above, I'm not impressed.
Wow..if that plays as rediculous as it looks it gonna fall flat.
Definately marketed towards children....I'm staying far far away...and hope someone down the line picks up our beloved SMW.
Wow..if that plays as rediculous as it looks it gonna fall flat.Definately marketed towards children....I'm staying far far away...and hope someone down the line picks up our beloved SMW.
I think kids will love it.The figures look great and it looks like an easy game.Definately will not replace our beloved SWM as it isnt targeted toward us. Anyone notice how it is kinda like Top Trumps.Man i used to love that game...
I think kids will love it.The figures look great and it looks like an easy game.Definately will not replace our beloved SWM as it isnt targeted toward us.Anyone notice how it is kinda like Top Trumps.Man i used to love that game...
Back in the late '70s and early '80s, my friends and I had "wars" with our Star Wars figures without having a set of specific rules or dice. It worked just fine for us.
Just my opinion, but the 3.75" figs are toys. Minis are a game. They're two separate things and should stay that way.
Back in the late '70s and early '80s, my friends and I had "wars" with our Star Wars figures without having a set of specific rules or dice. It worked just fine for us.Just my opinion, but the 3.75" figs are toys. Minis are a game. They're tw
Wow..if that plays as rediculous as it looks it gonna fall flat. .
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it...
"Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids are smarter than that.
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it..."Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids a
Wow..if that plays as rediculous as it looks it gonna fall flat. .
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it...
"Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids are smarter than that.
Kids in my experince especially young ones don't like complicated games.....they like stuff that is simply and easy and fun....
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it..."Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids a
Wow..if that plays as rediculous as it looks it gonna fall flat. .
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it...
"Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids are smarter than that.
Kids in my experince especially young ones don't like complicated games.....they like stuff that is simply and easy and fun....
Clearly you don't have kids.
Granted, anyone thinking this is meant to replace SWMs, or that Hasbro will be doing anything in terms of game support, is wishful thinking. This is simply the same as the Build a Droid, and Comchip's of the past. A little something extra and new to keep kids interested. It will sell, without support, doesn't matter if the game is good or not. As to whom it's directed, well honestly, I'd say the market that buys the toys currently. Kids and "adults". The game aspect is just a fun add on, not anything serious IMO.
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it..."Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids a
Wow..if that plays as rediculous as it looks it gonna fall flat. .
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it...
"Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids are smarter than that.
Kids in my experince especially young ones don't like complicated games.....they like stuff that is simply and easy and fun....
Clearly you don't have kids.
I have a wonderful three year tyvm and besides its not like this is serisous business
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it..."Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids a
tbh it is not as good as the top trumps, top trumps required you to have a knowledge of the cards and which of your stats were the most powerful, and gamble which was going to be the best option, this game is much less skill based.
tbh it is not as good as the top trumps, top trumps required you to have a knowledge of the cards and which of your stats were the most powerful, and gamble which was going to be the best option, this game is much less skill based.
tbh it is not as good as the top trumps, top trumps required you to have a knowledge of the cards and which of your stats were the most powerful, and gamble which was going to be the best option, this game is much less skill based.
Do we have rules for this game yet? Or are you guessing at the rules based on the pic of the card and the die?
Do we have rules for this game yet? Or are you guessing at the rules based on the pic of the card and the die?
Clearly we dont, but the most likely option seems to be that the roll of the die tells you which stats to compare, although could be wrong, and maybe the stats at the top of the card (the ones which state +) are what the die refers too, and then you choose your comparison, which would make it considerably more difficult, however still basic, good enough for kids.
Clearly we dont, but the most likely option seems to be that the roll of the die tells you which stats to compare, although could be wrong, and maybe the stats at the top of the card (the ones which state +) are what the die refers too, and then you
Clearly we dont, but the most likely option seems to be that the roll of the die tells you which stats to compare, although could be wrong, and maybe the stats at the top of the card (the ones which state +) are what the die refers too, and then you choose your comparison, which would make it considerably more difficult, however still basic, good enough for kids.
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something. I think the roll would apply to the bonuses on top and not the comparison stat would be the more likely rules IMO.
Thanks. I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something. I think the roll would apply to the bonuses on top and not the comparison stat would be the more likely rules IMO.
Ha, if this game is anything like the show, the Republic character's cards will only say: "You win no matter what." The Sep's will just say: "Give up now."
Ha, if this game is anything like the show, the Republic character's cards will only say: "You win no matter what." The Sep's will just say: "Give up now."
Ha, if this game is anything like the show, the Republic character's cards will only say: "You win no matter what." The Sep's will just say: "Give up now."
You do realize that the seps were being played right. They were diliberately built to lose.
You do realize that the seps were being played right. They were diliberately built to lose.
Wow..if that plays as rediculous as it looks it gonna fall flat. .
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it...
"Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids are smarter than that.
Kids in my experince especially young ones don't like complicated games.....they like stuff that is simply and easy and fun....
When I was teaching Kindergarten, I somehow got it into my head that the kids should be playing Catan. There was a version of the game made specifically for Kids. I read the back of the box and bought the regular Catan instead. The kids LOVED Catan. Granted, I needed to be there to guide and direct the whole thing, but I'm pretty certain that the kid-based game would have gone over like a lead brick. Keep in mind that these are 5 and 6 year olds that I'm talking about. Some of them started playing Minis (albeit on a very basic level) during their first grade year. I had bought some Top Trumps during my Kindergarten time. They got mostly ignored.
Now this is just one person's experience and it may be totally spurious, but I think that any of the mass marketed "gamer" products are good examples of what's going to happen to this idea. Do they still make Attaktix????
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it..."Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids a
I don't know, I think Sidious had a back up plan to take over if the Seps won.
My favorite saga campaign was built around this Idea (Darth Maul lives at end of episode 1, and kills obi-wan) (Anakin discovered by Maul and becomes sith apprentice) (Separatists win, and Maul eventually kills sideous) (Rebellion fought by few Jedi that didn't die because their clone troops were wiped out) (Empire of robots and Aliens instead of Stormtroopers and Humans)
My favorite saga campaign was built around this Idea(Darth Maul lives at end of episode 1, and kills obi-wan)(Anakin discovered by Maul and becomes sith apprentice)(Separatists win, and Maul eventually kills sideous)(Rebellion fought by few Jedi that
So, doing some research, I've found a mold kit online that lets you create a reusable mold to create figures (plastic, metal...whatever) that could be used to help produce the customs and make them widely available (basically...anyone that has molding experience could make the molds with a pre-made custom fig from other SWM parts, send them out unpainted and go from there...with us all pitching in for the plastic/mold material pretty much or someone doing it with "donations" even) just a thought... or we could just create our own customs...
So, doing some research, I've found a mold kit online that lets you create a reusable mold to create figures (plastic, metal...whatever) that could be used to help produce the customs and make them widely available (basically...anyone that has moldin
So, doing some research, I've found a mold kit online that lets you create a reusable mold to create figures (plastic, metal...whatever) that could be used to help produce the customs and make them widely available (basically...anyone that has molding experience could make the molds with a pre-made custom fig from other SWM parts, send them out unpainted and go from there...with us all pitching in for the plastic/mold material pretty much or someone doing it with "donations" even) just a thought... or we could just create our own customs...
I don't know, I think Sidious had a back up plan to take over if the Seps won.
Darth Sidious never had a backup plan.If the Seps had won then he would have appeared and taken leadership. The republic won however and he still remained in power.Sidious had force prediction so he could easily predict that the republic would win the war, that anakin would be his apprentice etc etc.He even predicte the arrival of the yuzzhan vong. But he never predicted the arrival of anakin or the rebel alliance winning or darth vader killing him. He was a genius but a fool in many ways.
Darth Sidious never had a backup plan.If the Seps had won then he would have appeared and taken leadership. The republic won however and he still remained in power.Sidious had force prediction so he could easily predict that the republic would win th
But he never predicted the arrival of anakin or the rebel alliance winning or darth vader killing him. He was a genius but a fool in many ways.
Well, he foresaw the fact that a Skywalker would destroy him, as Vader says in ESB "you can destroy the Emperor, he has forseen this". He just forgot that Vader's name used to be Skywalker, too.
But anyway!
Well, he foresaw the fact that a Skywalker would destroy him, as Vader says in ESB "you can destroy the Emperor, he has forseen this". He just forgot that Vader's name used to be Skywalker, too. But anyway!
Just saw this news and I got to say "LAME". First you ruin D&D by releasing 4th edition and now you are going to cancel Star Wars. What a sad day. I guess I will not be buying any Wizards products in the future. Hope some good company gets the Star Wars license and does it true justice.
Disapointed customer!
Just saw this news and I got to say "LAME". First you ruin D&D by releasing 4th edition and now you are going to cancel Star Wars. What a sad day. I guess I will not be buying any Wizards products in the future. Hope some good company gets the Star W
Wow..if that plays as rediculous as it looks it gonna fall flat. .
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it...
"Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids are smarter than that.
Kids in my experince especially young ones don't like complicated games.....they like stuff that is simply and easy and fun....
When I was teaching Kindergarten, I somehow got it into my head that the kids should be playing Catan. There was a version of the game made specifically for Kids. I read the back of the box and bought the regular Catan instead. The kids LOVED Catan. Granted, I needed to be there to guide and direct the whole thing, but I'm pretty certain that the kid-based game would have gone over like a lead brick. Keep in mind that these are 5 and 6 year olds that I'm talking about. Some of them started playing Minis (albeit on a very basic level) during their first grade year. I had bought some Top Trumps during my Kindergarten time. They got mostly ignored.
Now this is just one person's experience and it may be totally spurious, but I think that any of the mass marketed "gamer" products are good examples of what's going to happen to this idea. Do they still make Attaktix????
So just circling back with a confirmation that the Star Wars action figures with the pack-in card game will indeed be targeting the kid market, not the collectors or gamers:
unless the kids pick it up and enjoy the heck out of it..."Kids" deserve a better game.... Unless there are more complication than are apparent in the picture, the game will have no movement and will be decided by little more than a coin flip. Kids a
I was gonna register just to post something about why toy companies do this kind of thing.
There's a reason that we used to see Batman in every color of the rainbow with loads of useless junk packed in: Someone did a market research of the opinions of mothers. So there's another reason to "Thank" them when they're doing 20mph less than everyone else on the road in the left hand lane talking on their phones in their minivan.
*German Accent* Hmmm. Very interesting.Those forums looked very interesting too.I was gonna register just to post something about why toy companies do this kind of thing. There's a reason that we used to see Batman in every color of the rainbow with
Really blows WotC isn't renewing the liscence. Always been more of the RPG type than the minis type. I've every version of the RPG, going back to West End Games, and this is the first edition where I will have all the books. Granted, there wasn't much more they really could have done with the RPG, short of Gazetteering or doing pregen. adventures. Oh well. Play this edition, and hope someone picks it up. I do like the minis though. I own a couple hundred, really for the RPG and not the minis game. Been a good run though.
Really blows WotC isn't renewing the liscence. Always been more of the RPG type than the minis type. I've every version of the RPG, going back to West End Games, and this is the first edition where I will have all the books. Granted, there wasn
One week till the miniature game goes the way of the Dinosaurs with Wotc!! My case will be in hand and opened by this time next Monday, forget release day rules! A couple of hours early is well deserved fro someone who has spent thousands of dollars on this game!
One week till the miniature game goes the way of the Dinosaurs with Wotc!! My case will be in hand and opened by this time next Monday, forget release day rules! A couple of hours early is well deserved fro someone who has spent thousands of dollars
Well, I must say I am abit behind the times & recently heard of the cancellation of one of my favorite games from WoTC. I have read over some of the responses here & believe everyone to be genuinely saddened by this news. I for one thinks this news sucks. WoTC has brought us some very enjoyable games in the past & Star Wars Saga is no exception. But like all good things, an end is near. A pox on the economy excuses. Just admit your visionary designers can't come up with any more creative content & admit you are cirling your wagons around this "version" of Dungeons & Dragons you have birthed. We lost d20 Modern. We lost Dungeons & Dragons. Now we're losing Star Wars. I may not spek for the other fans of these systems, but I say leave our beloved fantasy the hell alone. You have become a spoiled child teasing a hungry dog with a bone. Show some respect to the gaming community & atone for your past sins.
Just my rant. Flame if you will but it's the way I feel.
Well, I must say I am abit behind the times & recently heard of the cancellation of one of my favorite games from WoTC. I have read over some of the responses here & believe everyone to be genuinely saddened by this news. I for one thinks this news s
I'm sure this has already been answered here, but still: how long will the books still be sold? It helps to know how much time I've got yet to complete the set.
I'm sure this has already been answered here, but still: how long will the books still be sold? It helps to know how much time I've got yet to complete the set.
I'm sure this has already been answered here, but still: how long will the books still be sold? It helps to know how much time I've got yet to complete the set.
Until August (I believe the end of August, but I'm not certain of that).
Until August (I believe the end of August, but I'm not certain of that).
I'm sure this has already been answered here, but still: how long will the books still be sold? It helps to know how much time I've got yet to complete the set.
Until August (I believe the end of August, but I'm not certain of that).
Thanks for the response.
Until August (I believe the end of August, but I'm not certain of that).Thanks for the response.
Sad news to hear, but from someone who works in an industry that deals with obtaining licences (even though much different field) to create work. I can fully understand the decision that has been made.
Those who blame the financial crisis excuse don't really understand on a world wide sales scale how true that really is. Also you must also realise that the prices for licences to do work do not remain stagnant and grow with each renewal.
In short dealing with other people's properties is not cheap and you must come to a point that your yearly profits must almost double the cost the price of the license each year.
Sad news to hear, but from someone who works in an industry that deals with obtaining licences (even though much different field) to create work. I can fully understand the decision that has been made.Those who blame the financial crisis excuse don't
I hope you guys don't mind my brief little interjection here, but there should be zero speculation about Wizard's profits. Why? Because all of the information about them is openly available since Hasbro is a publically traded company! All it took was a few minutes on their corporate website and I found out everything on my own.
So, there shouldn't be any doubt that Wizards is making money, and a lot of it! This excuse that there is an economic downturn or that they are facing "tough times" are most likely being fabricated. The true root of this is probably that they had nothing more they could do with the license.
I hope you guys don't mind my brief little interjection here, but there should be zero speculation about Wizard's profits. Why? Because all of the information about them is openly available since Hasbro is a publically traded company! All it to
My dad was recently let go despite being part of a company that increased in sales and contract acquisitions this year. He'd been there for over 15 years.
Meaning, just because they are part of a successful division, it doesn't mean they were the major contributing factor for that division's success.
As sad as I am to see it go, note that Wizards probably makes a lot more money from CCGs and DND rather than the Star Wars license. They likely wanted to axe a division that wasn't making much money, and your point about having explored the license is likely also valid. However, all companies are in business to make money. If something isn't making money, they won't support it. Simple as that.
That being said, I am supremely disappointed and really wish I could find a copy of the KOTOR Campaign Guide that wasn't well over $70. I'm hoping for one final print of all the books, but I doubt that's going to happen.
My dad was recently let go despite being part of a company that increased in sales and contract acquisitions this year. He'd been there for over 15 years.Meaning, just because they are part of a successful division, it doesn't mean they were the ma
I know you probably didn't read that 2009 report that I linked. But if you did, you'd see that it specifically says that there was increased revenue through MTG and decreased revenue through traditional board games. So more than likely, other products by Wizards are performing acceptably.
Also noteable, is that there has been a marked decrease in the sale of Star Wars related toys. There isn't any mention of the RPG. And yet one is kept and the other is let go. Back to my original point, the rpg license was probably given up because they didn't want it anymore. Profits really didn't have anything to do with it. They could have tried to either milk it some more, or put that money somewhere else. Unfourtantly, they chose the latter.
Regardless, we'll know for sure when the next report is produced at the end of the year!
I know you probably didn't read that 2009 report that I linked. But if you did, you'd see that it specifically says that there was increased revenue through MTG and decreased revenue through traditional board games. So more than likely, other pro
Does anyone know where i can get the masters of the force rules PDF and any errata that may have come out?
I haven't gone to the Wizards Star Wars Archives since 3/15/10 and I'm looking for anything else that I may have missed.
Does anyone know where i can get the masters of the force rules PDF and any errata that may have come out? I haven't gone to the Wizards Star Wars Archives since 3/15/10 and I'm looking for anything else that I may have missed.
The MOTF rules insert already came out butwizards has removed all things star wars (aside from the furumns for now) from the site at the request of lucas arts. Now you may be able to ask on some other sites such as bloo Milk or SWM gamers. SOmone might have archived it before it was Purged from the site without much notice. I dont know if a new errata will come out.
The MOTF rules insert already came out butwizards has removed all things star wars (aside from the furumns for now) from the site at the request of lucas arts. Now you may be able to ask on some other sites such as bloo Milk or SWM gamers. SOmone m
I did manage to snag it before the site went away. Try this link to Google Docs for the checklist and rules insert PDF: docs.google.com/fileview?id=0Bzdl-OImVg5...Let me know if the link does not work.
Thanks Cent. I had found this too but I was looking for the Wizards PDF with the rules.
The link below that Squid posted has a download link to get the offiicial wizards PDF with the Rules page. I figured I'd mention it because I missed it the first time I looked.
PDF available here.Thanks Cent. I had found this too but I was looking for the Wizards PDF with the rules.The link below that Squid posted has a download link to get the offiicial wizards PDF with the Rules page.I figured I'd mention it because I
Its an archive which contains pretty much every article done by Wizards (for SWRPG/SWM) up until 23/04/2008. Unfortunately, it doesn't have anything newer, but it does have some articles that I haven't seen yet, like the Customizing Star Wars Minis articles.
Just thought I'd post this,web.archive.org/web/20080503034506/www.w...Its an archive which contains pretty much every article done by Wizards (for SWRPG/SWM) up until 23/04/2008. Unfortunately, it doesn't have anything newer, but it does have some ar
i played minis when it first came out and stopped playing last year. i didn't even know the game got the can until a friend told me yesterday when i went to my local game shop it play MTG(it seem this is the only game WoTc has anymore).
it would be cool if the games mechanics would be put to work on a cheaper licence or something...
like LOTR or some ANIME show like DBZ
i played minis when it first came out and stopped playing last year. i didn't even know the game got the can until a friend told me yesterday when i went to my local game shop it play MTG(it seem this is the only game WoTc has anymore).it would be co
i played minis when it first came out and stopped playing last year. i didn't even know the game got the can until a friend told me yesterday when i went to my local game shop it play MTG(it seem this is the only game WoTc has anymore).
it would be cool if the games mechanics would be put to work on a cheaper licence or something...
like LOTR or some ANIME show like DBZ
Actually, I would like something more generic. This way there would be no chance to stop it unless on there own terms. Something that does not have a license. Either another SCI-Fi, modern D20 (Urban or classic military of any era) or even a new version like the scale of A&A but with a sci-fi twist.
But, if they are going to pick another license. Let's go with good ol' classic GI Joe.
Actually, I would like something more generic. This way there would be no chance to stop it unless on there own terms. Something that does not have a license. Either another SCI-Fi, modern D20 (Urban or classic military of any era) or even a n
i played minis when it first came out and stopped playing last year. i didn't even know the game got the can until a friend told me yesterday when i went to my local game shop it play MTG(it seem this is the only game WoTc has anymore).
it would be cool if the games mechanics would be put to work on a cheaper licence or something...
like LOTR or some ANIME show like DBZ
Actually, I would like something more generic. This way there would be no chance to stop it unless on there own terms. Something that does not have a license. Either another SCI-Fi, modern D20 (Urban or classic military of any era) or even a new version like the scale of A&A but with a sci-fi twist.
But, if they are going to pick another license. Let's go with good ol' classic GI Joe.
i really just want to see another minis game
Actually, I would like something more generic. This way there would be no chance to stop it unless on there own terms. Something that does not have a license. Either another SCI-Fi, modern D20 (Urban or classic military of any era) or even a n
i played minis when it first came out and stopped playing last year. i didn't even know the game got the can until a friend told me yesterday when i went to my local game shop it play MTG(it seem this is the only game WoTc has anymore).
it would be cool if the games mechanics would be put to work on a cheaper licence or something...
like LOTR or some ANIME show like DBZ
Actually, I would like something more generic. This way there would be no chance to stop it unless on there own terms. Something that does not have a license. Either another SCI-Fi, modern D20 (Urban or classic military of any era) or even a new version like the scale of A&A but with a sci-fi twist.
But, if they are going to pick another license. Let's go with good ol' classic GI Joe.
i really just want to see another minis game
I agree and I do too. I just want it to be something of their own and not have to worry about a license agreement.
Actually, I would like something more generic. This way there would be no chance to stop it unless on there own terms. Something that does not have a license. Either another SCI-Fi, modern D20 (Urban or classic military of any era) or even a n
No. No G I Joe. Because then I would be buying another WotC game, only to get treated like dirt.
Hmm. The list of similarities between WotC and my exes grows!
No. No G I Joe. Because then I would be buying another WotC game, only to get treated like dirt.Hmm. The list of similarities between WotC and my exes grows!
Honestly I never caught the Star Wars mini bug. More bummed out about the RPG. *Debates pensioning Catalyst to pick up the license, as in my opnion anyway, they did a decent enough job with Battletech*
Honestly I never caught the Star Wars mini bug. More bummed out about the RPG. *Debates pensioning Catalyst to pick up the license, as in my opnion anyway, they did a decent enough job with Battletech*
I am extremely upset at this news. This is the third time this has happened. I used to collect the Star Wars Decipher CCG that got canned. Then the Star Wars TCG by Wizards and it got caneed now the Miniatures are done. This sucks especially for the avid Star Wars fans that eagerly await the next expansion. I even got my kids into the games and now I have to tell them oh they don't make it any more. I really hope Heroscapes (which is my son's favorite) doesn't go next. Oh and I almost forgot the Star Wars roleplaying thats another one. I am very dissapointed as a customer who has bought Wizards of the Coast products since Magic was first relaeased!!!
I am extremely upset at this news. This is the third time this has happened. I used to collect the Star Wars Decipher CCG that got canned. Then the Star Wars TCG by Wizards and it got caneed now the Miniatures are done. This sucks especially for the
I don't know about Dark Times but it certainly has been sad times since the announcement of the demise of the SWminis line. Hopefully someone else will pick it up and do it even better. Fortunately Space Hulk 3rd edition filled some of the void and the release of Earth Reborn (check it out on Boardgamegeek.com) in September this year may give me another fix. The thought of no more new Star Wars plastic crack is depressing.
By the way! When does this site come down fully?
I don't know about Dark Times but it certainly has been sad times since the announcement of the demise of the SWminis line. Hopefully someone else will pick it up and do it even better. Fortunately Space Hulk 3rd edition filled some of the void and
There have been several questions lately regarding the future of the Star Wars Miniatures and Roleplaying Game and until now I haven’t had definitive answers to give you. After a lengthy evaluation, Wizards of the Coast has decided not to renew the Star Wars license with Lucasfilm. We’ve had a long and fantastic run, but with the economic downturn, we have made the tough decision to discontinue our Star Wars lines.
The license officially ends in May this year, with WotC product available through August. In the meantime, we have awesome new products still coming your way. This week, we released The Dark Times minis and Galaxy of Intrigue RPG. We’ll have more coming with Masters of the Force minis in April, which will have some of your most favorite characters along with rare creatures from the Dejarik Holochess game that have never appeared in our game. We’ll also release The Unknown Regions RPG in April, which includes entirely new planets and mini-adventures for each world.
We are finishing the line with a bang so look for special programs at your local game store to stock up on favorite sets before they go into the vault. We will continue to support our Star Wars forums on the Wizards Community site so you can reach out and chat with us and other fans.
While I know the news is disappointing, we wanted to make this announcement as soon as possible and thank you for being such great fans. It’s been a fantastic ride with the Star Wars community and working with Lucasfilm. We hope you enjoy the next several months of great products. You never know when we may circle back again!
WotC has, or had, a good sci-fi verse. A couple of them. Gamma World, Space Frontiers, Dark Matter, & Alternity. And with Gamma World 4E coming out and the forthcoming Gamma World novel, why not use that as a foundation for a new figure line.
WotC has, or had, a good sci-fi verse. A couple of them. Gamma World, Space Frontiers, Dark Matter, & Alternity. And with Gamma World 4E coming out and the forthcoming Gamma World novel, why not use that as a foundation for a new figure line.
WotC has, or had, a good sci-fi verse. A couple of them. Gamma World, Space Frontiers, Dark Matter, & Alternity. And with Gamma World 4E coming out and the forthcoming Gamma World novel, why not use that as a foundation for a new figure line.
The answer to that is easy. Because Star Wars is the essential essence of AWESOME. Everything else is second rate.
Pwnt.
The answer to that is easy. Because Star Wars is the essential essence of AWESOME. Everything else is second rate.Pwnt.
Of course SW is awesome.....but.....WotC doesn't produce it anymore.
So, they could just an inhouse product to pimp next.
Anyone heard any rumors as to who's taking over the SW franchise?
Of course SW is awesome.....but.....WotC doesn't produce it anymore. :(So, they could just an inhouse product to pimp next.Anyone heard any rumors as to who's taking over the SW franchise?
I have heard that a Russian company has purchased the rights to the SW License, but no oficial announcement has been made, and there's no telling what they'll do with the license now that they have it, anyways.
I have heard that a Russian company has purchased the rights to the SW License, but no oficial announcement has been made, and there's no telling what they'll do with the license now that they have it, anyways.
I have heard that a Russian company has purchased the rights to the SW License, but no oficial announcement has been made, and there's no telling what they'll do with the license now that they have it, anyways.
"He's heading for that small moon."
"That's no moon, that's..."
"He's heading for that small moon.""That's no moon, that's..." :rofl:
Well, I bought some of these miniatures a while ago, but stopped because I had no one to play with. I still have them, though, and I think they're awesome. Only good one I have is Darth Bane, though.
So recently I went out to see if they still existed. Turns out they don't. And this is why. That's sad.
Well, I bought some of these miniatures a while ago, but stopped because I had no one to play with. I still have them, though, and I think they're awesome. Only good one I have is Darth Bane, though.So recently I went out to see if they still existed
So I'm working on an article for this week and was just double checking how the SW line was going. I boycotted when Decipher and WEG lost the rights to WotC, but only after giving WotC a change with testing the CCG and RPG. We all know what happened to the CCG as how it was DOA because none of the old players wanted to switch over, but the Minis line seemed nice as I could keep playing old school with them. The almost nine year run was impressive, but I'm kind of happy that the rights have been freed up again. I know a lot of you reading this might think I'm kicking you all in the teeth. I'm not a WotC hater and am a big fan of Magic, but I really miss my old games as I'm sure all you must be as well. I'm sorry for all of you that fell in love with these games that have gone away. May the force be with you.
So I'm working on an article for this week and was just double checking how the SW line was going. I boycotted when Decipher and WEG lost the rights to WotC, but only after giving WotC a change with testing the CCG and RPG. We all know what happened
So I'm working on an article for this week and was just double checking how the SW line was going. I boycotted when Decipher and WEG lost the rights to WotC, but only after giving WotC a change with testing the CCG and RPG. We all know what happened to the CCG as how it was DOA because none of the old players wanted to switch over, but the Minis line seemed nice as I could keep playing old school with them. The almost nine year run was impressive, but I'm kind of happy that the rights have been freed up again. I know a lot of you reading this might think I'm kicking you all in the teeth. I'm not a WotC hater and am a big fan of Magic, but I really miss my old games as I'm sure all you must be as well. I'm sorry for all of you that fell in love with these games that have gone away. May the force be with you.
FYI: If you hadn't heard, the minis license was picked up a while back by Fantasy Flight Games.
FYI: If you hadn't heard, the minis license was picked up a while back by Fantasy Flight Games.
