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5 years ago ::
May 07, 2008 - 7:29AM
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I now think I have enough ammo to wage this war: It is my belief that twin attack does not always go off when you make an attack. I will give you some references:
Attacks of Opportunity One Per Turn: There is no limit to the number of attacks of opportunity a character can make in a round, but it can make only one during a given character’s turn.
(if a strafer ever had it) Strafe Attack: … This character cannot attack any enemy twice in the same turn using Strafe Attack… There are a couple of other scenarios that are more iffy then those two, but if you read LS Sweep, it mentions making *one* attack to each adjacent character. Yet twin explicitly mentions Sweep in the definition. Immediate Attack type situations also specify making a single attack. So, are there cases when Twin Attack should not come into play? Or is it always going to happen?
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5 years ago ::
May 07, 2008 - 8:08AM
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Well, you make good points. And I believe you are supposed to take the most restrictive option. Flurry Attack (When this character scores a critical hit, he may make 1 immediate extra attack) Lightsaber Sweep (Force 1, replaces attacks: Can attack each adjacent enemy once) Blaster Barrage (Force 1; replaces attacks: Can attack each legal target once) Still think you're beating a dead Bantha with this one though :D
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5 years ago ::
May 07, 2008 - 8:22AM
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you left out the definition of twin Twin Attack: This character makes a single extra attack whenever it makes an attack. This extra attack must be made against the same target as the original attack; if the original target was defeated by the first attack, this character cannot attack it again. Twin Attack even affects multiple attacks granted by special abilities and Force powers; for example, if Lord Vader uses his Lightsaber Sweep power, he can attack every adjacent target twice! However, the extra attack from Twin Attack does not stack with itself; that is, a character doesn’t get another attack after making the extra attack from Twin Attack. by the definition of twin from the rule book you make another attack against the same target for every attack. the only exception is listed in the definition.
However, the extra attack from Twin Attack does not stack with itself; that is, a character doesn’t get another attack after making the extra attack from Twin Attack also, take a look at the faq and twin:
Twin Attack
Q: Does Twin Attack stack with Double Attack, giving four attacks, or two attacks against two different targets?
A: Yes.
Q: If Prince Xizor uses Pheromones to cancel the first attack, can the second still be made against him?
A: Yes.
Q: If a follower with Twin Attack is in the same squad with Mon Mothma, and is defeated, can it use Twin Attack on the free attack granted by Mon Mothma's commander effect?
A: Yes. But only the first attack gets the +10 Damage.
Q: If you combine fire with the first attack of a Twin Attack do you also get the +4 on the second attack?
A: No, but a different character could potentially combine fire on the second attack.
Q: If you defeat the target with the first attack, can you choose a different target for the second attack?
A: No, the second attack is lost.
Q: Can you use Twin Attack on an attack of opportunity, immediate attack granted by a commander like the Imperial Officer, or Extra Attack granted by a Gonk Droid or General Windu?
A: Yes.
Q: Can a character with Twin Attack and Flamethrower make two attacks with the Flamethrower?
A: Flamethrower is a special ability that deals direct damage; it is not an attack at all and cannot be used with Twin Attack.
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5 years ago ::
May 07, 2008 - 9:15AM
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There remains a simple answer to this: The faq is wrong!
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5 years ago ::
May 07, 2008 - 9:54AM
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And the definition of the ability is wrong since it explicitly mentions LS Sweep which is the precedent for all the other interactions?
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5 years ago ::
May 07, 2008 - 9:57AM
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I have this funny feeling that emr is just looking to start a spirited discussion of the rules.
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5 years ago ::
May 07, 2008 - 11:17AM
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And the definition of the ability is wrong since it explicitly mentions LS Sweep which is the precedent for all the other interactions? Exactly. Hrmmmm, we have seen this before, where an example was listed that just does not fit the rule in which it was placed. Oh yeah, the original wording of disintegrate.
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5 years ago ::
May 07, 2008 - 11:23AM
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True. But that was just a casual vs terminology wording oversight.
This one is pretty clear that Rob wanted Lord Vader attacking every character twice when you use Sweep.
If there's an argument that the wording pre-example doesn't effectively support the example, I'm all ears for alternatives in case we get another shot at revising a future rulebook.
If the contention is that Rob's clear intent should be ignored due to an arguable wording issue, er, enjoy the intellectual exercise... :P
(I think we've covered before that I'm not really a fan of how Twin Attack affects the game, but it's working as intended regardless of what could have been...)
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5 years ago ::
May 07, 2008 - 12:07PM
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True. But that was just a casual vs terminology wording oversight. See, here is the interesting point. How are anyone out of the loop supposed to know that? And furthermore, how are people supposed to assume this is the case this time?
This one is pretty clear that Rob wanted Lord Vader attacking every character twice when you use Sweep. Intent arguments, impossible to 1) deny or 2) prove.
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5 years ago ::
May 07, 2008 - 12:37PM
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See, here is the interesting point. How are anyone out of the loop supposed to know that? And furthermore, how are people supposed to assume this is the case this time? FAQ.
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