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coffeebean wrote:

mabye its master speed 1. a lot of abilities seem to be separated into levels now.

That is also a good point, Put both versions up, one with this added, to add to the one already up. Just in case.

EDIT, Weather the "1" is meant to be there or not, i think you guys pretty much got this one in the bag. Well done.

coffeebean wrote:

mabye its master speed 1. a lot of abilities seem to be separated into levels now.

Thinking about it, would "master Speed 1" be move 4 spaces not 6? if it was that.

I'm guessing it's Force Defense 2 (Force 2: Cancel a Force power used by a character within 6 squares)...makes it cheaper to use

Vipsanius wrote:

I'm guessing it's Force Defense 2 (Force 2: Cancel a Force power used by a character within 6 squares)...makes it cheaper to use

That's actually a pretty good idea.

Jedi_Master_Luke wrote:

That's actually a pretty good idea.

Sorry i am getting a little confused here ( me ) , i thought it was a number 1 that was left , If you change the 3 to a 2, where is the 2 coming from? and would not that leave you a number 3? and still have a number 1 besides. Or am i just reading this all wrong?

If not what else are you changing to get the number 2 left ? and where are you now putting the number 3? and you still have a number 1 ( me still confused)

dreadtech wrote:

Thinking about it, would "master Speed 1" be move 4 spaces not 6? if it was that.

i would see it as more like master speed 2 (move 8 extra squares)
master speed 3 move 10 and so on.

coffeebean wrote:

i would see it as more like master speed 2 (move 8 extra squares)
master speed 3 move 10 and so on.

I see and move 4 squares remain Knight speed. Could be.

dreadtech wrote:

Sorry i am getting a little confused here ( me ) , i thought it was a number 1 that was left , If you change the 3 to a 2, where is the 2 coming from? and would not that leave you a number 3? and still have a number 1 besides. Or am i just reading this all wrong?

If not what else are you changing to get the number 2 left ? and where are you now putting the number 3? and you still have a number 1 ( me still confused)

numbers would have to be moved around for it to fit, but that's just my guess

I know some people believe that GameMaster Luke will be less than 90 point range, and I wouldn't naysay that, but if he was, his defense and attack would have to take an obvious hit.
take 1.1 Show take 2.1 Show

My wife made an observation yesterday that leads me to believe he may not have Twin.

With twin he would make 2 attacks on his djem-so

Why would WOTC give him an ability where only one part would get the bonus damage.

So my opinion would be that either he doesn't have twin or that we have the wording for DSSM wrong in a sense as it doesn't make sense to give him a very confusing ability where on part of it would be +10 and the second part is just normal.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this.

Luke_Skywalker wrote:

Grand Master Luke Skywalker
72
29/40
Hit Points 150
Defense 23
Attack 15
Damage 20

Special Abilities
Unique
Melee Attack; Triple Attack
Twin Attack (Whenever this character attacks, he makes 1 extra attack against the same target)
Djem So Style Mastery (Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack with +10 Damage against that attacker.)

Force Powers
Force 2. Force Renewal 1. Master of the Force 2
Force Defense (Force 3: Cancel a Force power used by a character within 6 squares)
Lightsaber Defense (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Master Speed (Force 1: This character can move 6 extra squares on his turn as part of his move)

Commander Effect
Each ally with a Force rating gains Force Renewal 1.




Maybe this?

What if the 1 isn't a mistake?

What if it's this:

Grand Master Luke Skywalker 127
25/40
Hit Points 150
Defense 23
Attack 19
Damage 20

Special Abilities
Unique
Melee Attack; Triple Attack
Twin Attack (Whenever this character attacks, he makes 1 extra attack against the same target)
Djem So Style Mastery (Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack with +10 Damage against that attacker.)

Force Powers
Force 2. Force Renewal 1. Master of the Force 2
Force Defense (Force 3: Cancel a Force power used by a character within 6 squares)
Lightsaber Defense (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Master Speed (Force 1: This character can move 6 extra squares on his turn as part of his move)

Commander Effect
Each ally with a Force rating gains Force Renewal 1.

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Basically, I changed his number placement in the set, upped his attack to +19, and put his cost over 100.

If it's NOT a typo, this is the only thing that makes sense. The other numbers may still be out of order, but it wouldn't surprise me if his cost is over 100 pts., given everything he can do.

My personal take on the whole thing is that one or more of you already got it and Rob won't confirm that it's correct until after IE is released. He basically said as much already.

WotC_Rob wrote:

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No, I can't help whatsoever until he appears in the next product being released. This was intentionally a tough puzzle for those that found the normal ones too easy.

Assuming he appears in Jedi Academy, I wouldn't expect any kind of ("this is 100% correct guys, and now the figure is completely spoiled") confirmation from Rob until IE is out of the door.

My version

Grand Master Luke Skywalker 115
27/40
Hit Points 150
Defense 23
Attack 19
Damage 20

Special Abilities
Unique
Melee Attack; Triple Attack
Twin Attack (Whenever this character attacks, he makes 1 extra attack against the same target)
Djem So Style Mastery (Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack with +10 Damage against that attacker.)

Force Powers
Force 2. Force Renewal 2. Master of the Force 2
Force Defense (Force 3: Cancel a Force power used by a character within 6 squares)
Lightsaber Defense (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Master Speed (Force 1: This character can move 6 extra squares on his turn as part of his move)

Commander Effect
Each ally with a Force rating gains Force Renewal 1.

Nivuahc wrote:

My personal take on the whole thing is that one or more of you already got it and Rob won't confirm that it's correct until after IE is released. He basically said as much already.

Then maybe we should be contacting Sarah for confirmation, since he said he couldn't help but that others could. It was Sarah who gave us Djem So Style Mastery.

Boris_the_Dwarf wrote:

Then maybe we should be contacting Sarah for confirmation, since he said he couldn't help but that others could. It was Sarah who gave us Djem So Style Mastery.

That might work, but I doubt it. I imagine, if my above speculation is correct, that they are contractually obligated to not spoil something 2 sets in advance.

Maybe a better tactic might be if we could get a confirmation that it isn't correct... if they say "no can do" we know that someone got it right, and they haven't technically spoiled anything.

Hmm...what if he doesn't have Twin Attack, but grants it? To get the letters, i think Master Speed would have to go...

Nivuahc wrote:

That might work, but I doubt it. I imagine, if my above speculation is correct, that they are contractually obligated to not spoil something 2 sets in advance.

Maybe a better tactic might be if we could get a confirmation that it isn't correct... if they say "no can do" we know that someone got it right, and they haven't technically spoiled anything.

Always with you it cannot be done. :P

If they didn't want it spoiled they wouldn't have let Rob put it up here in the first place. It seems kind of callous to post the teaser only to not announce when it's correct. Besides, Rob has confirmed other correct info in it.

There's simply no basis for your assumptions. In fact, there's plenty of evidence to refute them.

I think Boris is right.

*Space-Time Continuum explodes*

Wait for it.
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Boris and Klecser is correct (Looks overhead for flying pigs and then below to check on hell, must be freezing there this time of year...)

We have had gifts from Rob before of stuff 6 months or more ahead of time, granted, technically not for the "next set", but I see no reason why he cannot confirm. I think its more than safe to assume, either A) we haven't gotten it right yet, B) Rob hasn't caught up yet, or C) there was an additional number inserted that wasn't meant to be there

Hey, put down the torches, I said is was speculation! :P

For what it's worth, I hope I'm wrong.

urbanjedi wrote:

Why would WOTC give him an ability where only one part would get the bonus damage.

We've seen similar things already - PL's CE. For a character with Twin, they only get the bonus on the first attack. That doesn't make it bad, just a first in a single figure.

The fact that we have no response from Rob simply means that we have no response from Rob. Someone could well have guessed it correctly three screens back, and Rob is either not available or has not caught up. There's no reason to assume that his silence means we're wrong.

He has previously "marked his place" in the thread to indicate that, yes, he read what we have to a certain point, and no, he hasn't OK'd it. No reason to assume he would change tactics at page 31 or so.

Nivuahc wrote:

My personal take on the whole thing is that one or more of you already got it and Rob won't confirm that it's correct until after IE is released. He basically said as much already.

Originally Posted by WotC_Rob
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No, I can't help whatsoever until he appears in the next product being released. This was intentionally a tough puzzle for those that found the normal ones too easy.

Assuming he appears in Jedi Academy, I wouldn't expect any kind of ("this is 100% correct guys, and now the figure is completely spoiled") confirmation from Rob until IE is out of the door.

I also see nothing in Rob's statement here to indicate that he's intentionally withholding information or approval/denial.

If you edit a word or two, he says "I can't help until he appears in the next product on the release schedule."

That's "help", not confirm or deny. I don't imagine he would give us a puzzle months ago with an explicit refusal to confirm a correct answer until March.

The "next product" is currently Imperial Entanglements. After that, the next SET is Jedi Academy (which is where most of us expect Luke to be), but I don't know if we can expect a hint of any kind on March 18th, because the next PRODUCT would be one of the map sets, no?

@headache

I know PLs CE well. I am just saying as much confusion as that CE gets it doesn't make sense to put something that confusing to newer players as a standalone ability on a card.

I would think that they might word it so he gets the +10 on both attacks of twin or just not give him twin.

Although now that I think about it more (not sure where to get the letters from) what if he had just plain old triple his CE had the Twin granting twin as well as FR? Just a thought and we have seen a similar CE from GGDAC.

urbanjedi wrote:

Although now that I think about it more (not sure where to get the letters from) what if he had just plain old triple his CE had the Twin granting twin as well as FR? Just a thought and we have seen a similar CE from GGDAC.

That's what i was getting at in my post on the previous page. However, you'd need to take the letters from one of the powers he has up there (or Djem So Style Mastery is completely wrong, or DSSM gives the Twin itself), and the candidate i'd have used would be Master Speed mostly likely because of the extra 1. However, he could very well have Master Speed, or even another power we don't know about.

EDIT: NM on the first part of my post.

I think you guys are pretty spot on with it at this point. The Triple/Twin does seem a bit much, but then again, it only lets him do 120 damage total, which is the same as several other pieces that cost less than the 70 point range. Besides, there's enough melee counters out there that you won't score damage on all of those attacks. On top of that, there's no real movement breaker available for this Luke at this point, so getting him adjacent to somebody to pull off the 6 attacks won't be easy. Most people will gladly take a Twin AoO and move away.

ok let me get my guess in here.

i think a 100+ point figure is veryplausable

Grand Master Luke Skywalker 112
25/40
Hit Points 170
Defense 25
Attack 19
Damage 20

Special Abilities
Unique
Melee Attack; Triple Attack
Twin Attack (Whenever this character attacks, he makes 1 extra attack against the same target)
Djem So Style Mastery (Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack with +10 Damage against that attacker.)

Force Powers
Force 2. Force Renewal 2. Master of the Force 3
Force Defense (Force 3: Cancel a Force power used by a character within 6 squares)
Lightsaber Defense (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Master Speed (Force 1: This character can move 6 extra squares on his turn as part of his move)

Commander Effect
Each ally with a Force rating gains Force Renewal 1.


:D

Does that use all the letters?

187th_legion_command wrote:

Does that use all the letters?

ya it does, and i figure if kcleser and boris are right and he is a 100+ point figure then i figure his stats should match

im still thinking he might be a little weak for a 112 pt character

it also makes me wonder if it is a 40 figure set

Not that weak, he's got 6 attacks and is hardly to get hit with Defense 25 and Lightsaber Defense combined to Master of the Force 3. He's a total beast, I love that Luke!

LoboStele wrote:

EDIT: NM on the first part of my post.

On top of that, there's no real movement breaker available for this Luke at this point, so getting him adjacent to somebody to pull off the 6 attacks won't be easy. Most people will gladly take a Twin AoO and move away.

Twin does not activate for AoO... so totally move if he bases you.

Man I hope Rob pipes up soon....

Twin is active on an AoO.

Korvyn_JediKnight wrote:

Twin does not activate for AoO...

Um, yeah, it does. "Every time this character attacks" means "Every time this character Attack," even AoOs.

EDIT: too slow.... :D

I'd like that checked because i was told twin does not activate on an AoO by a rules dude at a tourney!

Anyone have an erated official call on this from Wizards?

Yea, it's on the FAQ over at the main site under special abilities

Q: Can you use Twin Attack on an attack of opportunity, immediate attack granted by a commander like the Imperial Officer, or Extra Attack granted by a Gonk Droid or General Windu?

A: Yes.

Awesome, well that's another win for me then dambed stupid rules dudes with no idea


Sorry for giving incorect info guys.

So back to Luke..... Rob any comments?

i don't think that WotC would make any figure over 100 points, because that eliminates them from an entire league of play. perhaps 100 exactly, but i cannot see anyone over 100. just my thought.

mav4800 wrote:

i don't think that WotC would make any figure over 100 points, because that eliminates them from an entire league of play. perhaps 100 exactly, but i cannot see anyone over 100. just my thought.

I have to agree on this point. I have a hard time buying that WOTC will release a mini like that in a set. Perhaps as a special pack but it is the kind of mini which would cause some problems with a limited environment as well.

Although I was one of the instigators of the 100+ cost, I don't, in principle, disagree with the 100 point limit.

The "problem" with the structure is that there's 1 extra number (OR the letters "an" are left over). There are multiple possible solutions for this:

1) My suggested structure is wrong. (In which case I apologize for the distraction over the past week or so, but, hey, I used all characters without resorting to sleep or woot!)

2) Cost is indeed over 100.

3) The extra number is tucked somewhere else. A variant special ability seems the most likely option (with Force Defense 2 and Master Speed 1 both being very plausible suggestions)

4) Rob made a mistake.

5) Bloomilk's decoder (which is what I've been using) made a mistake.

I believe 1 through 3 are plausible, but 4 and 5 are not. Rob is watching, he is not ignoring whats going on here. We must not have it right. The decoder has been checked and rechecked so many times. It is much more likely that 1,2, or 3 is the answer.

Thats my two cents for whats its worth.

frolicer wrote:

I believe 1 through 3 are plausible, but 4 and 5 are not. Rob is watching, he is not ignoring whats going on here. We must not have it right. The decoder has been checked and rechecked so many times. It is much more likely that 1,2, or 3 is the answer.

Thats my two cents for whats its worth.

It'd be nice if he is watching if he would at least acknowledge that fact, with some *** or something.

Maybe even to say, there are no mistakes in this transmission.

In all my attempts, I had made the assumption that he was under 100 points and tried to work it like that, but have found that it is extremely difficult to make things work because of the extra numbers. I'd be very surprised if he was over 100, but not like I would complain if he was worth the points. (Twin + Triple+ MotF 3 + LS Defense would certainly help)

I just have a nagging feeling that we're either off on DSSM or are missing some other key to this.

why not something like this?

Grand Master Luke Skywalker 76
11/40
Hit Points 150
Defense 21
Attack 15
Damage 20

Special Abilities
Unique
Melee Attack; Triple Attack
Twin Attack (Whenever this character attacks, he makes 1 extra attack against the same target)
Djem So Style Mastery (Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack with +10 Damage against that attacker.)

Force Powers
Force 2. Force Renewal 2. Master of the Force 3
Lightsaber Defense (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Master Speed 2(Force 2: This character can move 9 extra squares on his turn as part of his move)
Force Defense (Force 3: Cancel a Force power used by a character within 6 squares)


Commander Effect
Each ally with a Force rating gains Force Renewal 1.

Not saying it has to be that, but there are options still.

That would be possible, but would represent the first odd-numbered speed in the game (except for speed of 1). But, hey, no matter how you slice it, I think this guy is going to break something.

Also, a set number of 11 is POSSIBLE, but seems pretty unlikely unless the faction order differs radically from previous sets. I might go with something more like this:

Grand Master Luke Skywalker 76
31/40
Hit Points 150
Defense 21
Attack 15
Damage 20

Special Abilities
Unique
Melee Attack; Triple Attack
Twin Attack (Whenever this character attacks, he makes 1 extra attack against the same target)
Djem So Style Mastery (Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack with +10 Damage against that attacker.)

Force Powers
Force 2. Force Renewal 1. Master of the Force 2
Force Defense (Force 3: Cancel a Force power used by a character within 6 squares)
Lightsaber Defense (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Master Speed 2 (Force 2: This character can move 9 extra squares on his turn as part of his move)


Commander Effect
Each ally with a Force rating gains Force Renewal 1.

I didn't think about that, but yours seems very likely.

If he is in the 70 pt range, I just don't see him having Renewal 2 and MOTF 3. In 90 and 100s yes, but not for that low.

frolicer wrote:

I believe 1 through 3 are plausible, but 4 and 5 are not. Rob is watching, he is not ignoring whats going on here. We must not have it right. The decoder has been checked and rechecked so many times. It is much more likely that 1,2, or 3 is the answer.

Thats my two cents for whats its worth.

I didn't mean to slight anyone, but was trying to cover all possible bases. If I recall correctly, Rob made a mistake in the initial transmission (so, hey, it could always happen again), and I know someone said that the character count was off with the decoder at one point, so I figured err on the side of caution and include the possibility...

I agree that it's probably one of the first three options (and my money is on #2).

Gemini1179 wrote:

In all my attempts, I had made the assumption that he was under 100 points and tried to work it like that, but have found that it is extremely difficult to make things work because of the extra numbers. I'd be very surprised if he was over 100, but not like I would complain if he was worth the points. (Twin + Triple+ MotF 3 + LS Defense would certainly help)

I just have a nagging feeling that we're either off on DSSM or are missing some other key to this.

I think the word "assumption" is a large part of why we've got 1100 posts in this thread.

If the solutions we've been discussing for the past 7 or so pages are anywhere near correct, this Luke breaks at least one expectation in terms of phrasing (eg, of a Force power) or expectation (eg, price of 100 below)... which is exactly why I think we're on the right track.

Rob said that he's given us an intentionally difficult puzzle. Not only does it contain a huge number of characters, but also at least two new abilities. Even if we hurdle THOSE obstacles, there's the "final twist" of the puzzle being impossible to solve using the logic applied to previous Bothan Transmissions! (Heck, if frolicer hit the nail on the head with Master Speed 2, there are TWO assumptions challanged!)

If true, then I applaud Rob on being a magnificent b@$***d!

Could it be possible that he has Levivate since the new luke has it. Or maybe we need to wait for the new Vader and Hopefully he has the New Dem So Mastery so we can get that right.

No levitate. There are two capital Ls, and we know where both of them go.

Well then heres hopeing that the new Vader will have Dem So mastery that we can get the correct wording on it

StriderRe80 wrote:

Or maybe we need to wait for the new Vader and Hopefully he has the New Dem So Mastery so we can get that right.

That's what I'm waiting (and hoping) for - that could be why we havn't had Vader spoiled yet (although he could have been in a Hong Kong booster...but Luke is enough for that )

Also, I have a feeling we may be able to judge GMLS's cost by DVLotF's, which might also help refine the speculation.

I'm almost certain that's why we aren't going to be seeing that piece til either the very end, or release day. Still, I hope they keep the 70-80 (to 90 possibly) crowd to the minimum we've enjoyed thus far. I mean, LSJM is 74 pts, has good abilities, and is yet relegated to super-casual games...or worse, not played.

If he's going to be cheaper than that version, i'd expect some decline in statistics, even if he showed no decline in the story. If he's going to be more expensive, then the stat decline i don't find especially comforting, especially if the new Darth Vader is sucking -4 out of your attacks from 6 squares. Still, somebody did point out that it is reasonable for a figure doing 6 attacks to have lower attack values.

I still wonder if somehow he might grant Twin Attack to followers with Force ratings as well as Renewal. I'm fairly sure we don't have DDSM totally correct.

I think that Luke could totally be worth 100+ points.

If he had 23+ defense, he would be hard to hit.
If he had MotF 2+, with Lightsaber Defense, he would be hard to hit
If he had Renewal 2+, with Lightsaber Defense, he would be hard to hit.

If he had Triple and Twin, he will hit a lot
If he had 15+ attack, he will hit a lot
If he had MotF 2+, he will hit a lot

If he had that CE, he will give a huge boost to force users (especially Mara Jade Jedi)

If we have his stats right, he is the perfect balance of attack, defense, and command. That makes him worth 100+ points (unlike the AT-AT...)

I agree that IF all of those things are true, he's probably worth 100+... but if you start playing with the numbers, you can bring almost all of them down a BIT. And that cumulative effect... who knows?

I think he's going to be pretty cool either way.

As for this:

I still wonder if somehow he might grant Twin Attack to followers with Force ratings as well as Renewal. I'm fairly sure we don't have DDSM totally correct.

I arrived at my rephrasing of DSSM in an effort to get enough letters to allow his commander effect to also grant additional attacks. It's possible that it's in there, but I don't see it.

In terms of game balance, Triple/Twin on Luke is much less abusive than if he offers either as a commander effect. Even if it's limited to followers with Force ratings, consider Kyle with Twin Attack. Or Kreia. Or the Felcor. Consider that the Felcor could gain Triple/Twin with Mighty Swing AND Deceptive. And that's just one piece. If he grants Twin, I'm betting on a lot of Luke/Kyle/Kreia squads in the near future, as well as the Luke/Felcor combo. Luk'Cor?

Yeah, that would definitely be abusive, but then again, we have GOWK and GGDAC so i wouldn't say it's completely off the table.

I wouldn't mind terribly the Triple Twin, but I still think he might be outclassed by the new Vader if he's losing 4 attack. I am aware they don't figures with comparison to other figures, though. Or so they claim.

GWEk wrote:

Special Abilities
Unique
Melee Attack; Triple Attack
Twin Attack (Whenever this character attacks, he makes 1 extra attack against the same target)
Djem So Style Mastery (Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack with +10 Damage against that attacker.)

Force Powers
Force 2. Force Renewal 2. Master of the Force 2
Force Defense (Force 3: Cancel a Force power used by a character within 6 squares)
Lightsaber Defense (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Master Speed (Force 1: This character can move 6 extra squares on his turn as part of his move)

Commander Effect
Each ally with a Force rating gains Force Renewal 1.

This section is correct. ***

WotC_Rob wrote:

This section is correct. ***

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Congrats GWek!!!

That means that he costs over 100 points!!!

Here's what we know of what's left:

Grand Master Luke Skywalker 1
/40
Hit Points 10
Defense 2
Attack 1
Damage 20

And here are the numbers left: 1235579

So then I take it that Luke is indeed over 100 points...

Plug in these numbers:

111
222
3
4
55
7
9
000

Right off the bat, we know the set number is XX/40, so take them out.

111
222
3
55
7
9
00

Next, we know that his damage is 20, leaving:

111
22
3
55
7
9
0

HP starts with a 1 and ends with a 0 (unless he has 200 HP):

11
22
3
55
7
9

I'm gonna go with this:

Grand Master Luke Skywalker
Hit Points 170
Defense 25
Attack 19
Damage 20

leaving this

1
2
3
5

So let's say 125 cost and he is 3/40.

Option 2 would be

Grand Master Luke Skywalker
Hit Points 170
Defense 23
Attack 19
Damage 20

Making Luke's cost 125 and putting him 5/40.

abiwan wrote:

My version

Grand Master Luke Skywalker 115
27/40
Hit Points 150
Defense 23
Attack 19
Damage 20

Special Abilities
Unique
Melee Attack; Triple Attack
Twin Attack (Whenever this character attacks, he makes 1 extra attack against the same target)
Djem So Style Mastery (Whenever this character is hit by a melee attack, make a save of 11. On a success, this character can make an immediate attack with +10 Damage against that attacker.)

Force Powers
Force 2. Force Renewal 2. Master of the Force 2
Force Defense (Force 3: Cancel a Force power used by a character within 6 squares)
Lightsaber Defense (Force 1: When hit by an attack, this character takes no damage with a save of 11)
Master Speed (Force 1: This character can move 6 extra squares on his turn as part of his move)

Commander Effect
Each ally with a Force rating gains Force Renewal 1.

Congratulations, your version is the correct version.

I initially had Twin Attack as Impulsive Twin Attack, so Luke wouldn't come out of the gate with 6 attacks in a round. Mr. Mons Johnson convinced me that it didn't feel right for a Grand Master to carry around an Impulsive skill, even if it was good 'ole Luke Skywalker. Thus, the impulsive requirement was dropped and you've got the undisputed lightsaber combat champion of all time in Grand Master Luke Skywalker... and he weighs in at a whopping 115 points.

Rob

ZOIKs!!!!

Wow. Just wow. I didn't want to believe he'd get a 19 attack, but i did do a version with that. And he'll still have a 15 against his very intimidating father!

Here's what I expect :

Grand Master Luke Skywalker 129
35/40
Hit Points 170
Defense 21
Attack 15
Damage 20

After all, he has to be hit if he wants to use DSSM. Could also be cost 127/HP 190 without being too good.

Edit: Ok, he is much better than I expected. You won't see me complaining!

Wow, and it only took us 4 months too!

WE DID IT!!!!
OK well I didn't really help but yay anyways!

darth_waste wrote:

Here's what I expect :

Grand Master Luke Skywalker 129
35/40
Hit Points 170
Defense 21
Attack 15
Damage 20

After all, he has to be hit if he wants to use DSSM. Could also be cost 127/HP 190 without being too good.

Uh, bet you $5 that's not it...

Giggity Giggity. This is gonna make for some very interesting meta shifts. I really can't wait for JA now.

And can you guys imagine what this means for characters like Yoda?

Awesome!

Thanks for giving us the confirmation, Rob!

So when's the next Bothan Transmission start?

WotC_Rob wrote:

Congratulations, your version is the correct version.

I initially had Twin Attack as Impulsive Twin Attack, so Luke wouldn't come out of the gate with 6 attacks in a round. Mr. Mons Johnson convinced me that it didn't feel right for a Grand Master to carry around an Impulsive skill, even if it was good 'ole Luke Skywalker. Thus, the impulsive requirement was dropped and you've got the undisputed lightsaber combat champion of all time in Grand Master Luke Skywalker... and he weighs in at a whopping 115 points.

Rob

Wow, that is going to be an interesting game piece.

What set is that in? Jedi Academy?

GWEk wrote:

Awesome!

Thanks for giving us the confirmation, Rob!

So when's the next Bothan Transmission start?

Good job, GWek. You're the one that got it, mostly. You just had the numbers mixed up.

There were a few people that did versions with the right stats, but the collection number was wrong as well as the point cost.

DSSM was figured out and settled on for so long, it made me start believing it couldn't be what it was....

maybe upper 90s-no way he's worth 115. I think this fact will come out in practice play... I'm glad we have an ubber Luke though. Now we just need a GM Yoda

I'd say he brings back the Imperial Knights, but he already has a built-in counter to Cortosis Gauntlet! How do you kill a piece like that?

Edit: Other than with a certain Bounty Hunter...

Momma's Boy wrote:

maybe upper 90s-no way he's worth 115. I think this fact will come out in practice play... I'm glad we have an ubber Luke though. Now we just need a GM Yoda

I think you may change that opinion when you have to face off against him.

HEHEHEHEHEHE Thanks for this wonderful TOY Rob!! I cant wait to try it out in 150pts

I'm happy that our semi-off topic rant about Luke's capabilities at that level turned out to be justified.

Luke = the greatest of all time. I knew he could do it.

Congrats to everyone who worked on this over the last four months.

I am in love. People will gripe he is too expensive but I think he his fine. He IS an army.

mrmikedrum wrote:

Good job, GWek. You're the one that got it, mostly. You just had the numbers mixed up.

Thanks, man! Although I nabbed most of MY work from Gemini, who, I'm sure got some of it from others, who...

Whoever figured out DSSM deserves a great deal of thanks--I only fixed the last word or two.

klecser wrote:

Congrats to everyone who worked on this over the last four months.

My exact sentiments!

Congrats guys, its finally over...now on to the specualtive squad builds and whether or not he becomes competitive!

A huge round of applause for all those who worked so hard to get us this solution. Well done, all!!

What a fun piece - thanks, Rob for throwing this one out there in advance.

Thanks Rob for confirmation and Thanks to all for cracking the transmission. This is one of the toughest puzzle ever ... but seriously if Rob did not give us Lightsaber Defense .... we would be clueless. But my idea actually came after Boris post. You deserve the credit too mate. My dream NR squad;

GM Luke 115
Mara Jade, Jedi 45
Jaina Solo 25
Dodona 9
Filler 6

gonna sig this

You have a pic for us Rob, or do we get to wait til JA previews?

I go to lunch and come back to this.

Good job folks. Y'all are much more patient that I.

Base ATK of +19???? Holy Crap. That is awesome. I think the sole NR piece in my collection (Gen Wedge) is about to have some company

Can he be used with Garm?
That would be insane to move and do six attacks on 1 character plus you bring in a bothan noble and now you have eight attacks

AdmiralAckbar wrote:

Can he be used with Garm?
That would be insane to move and do six attacks on 1 character plus you bring in a bothan noble and now you have eight attacks

Nope, as Luke's not a follower.

Well, I am blown away. Shows how assumptions and expectations can skew how we work things out. I just wasn't working with him being over 100 points. Congrats to everyone! Glad I fought so hard for Twin Attack and had LS Defense in there before it was confirmed... everyone did a fantastic job on this.

Congratulations abiwan and everyone who contributed! I'll say, I'm surprised that we finally have a 100+ figure - what else will we see in the future? The original Darth Bane that was 100+? Master Windu? Master Yoda?

Dang, I like IE (and I understand the cheap troops now), but I'm PUMPED about JA!!!

WotC_Rob wrote:

Congratulations, your version is the correct version.

I initially had Twin Attack as Impulsive Twin Attack, so Luke wouldn't come out of the gate with 6 attacks in a round. Mr. Mons Johnson convinced me that it didn't feel right for a Grand Master to carry around an Impulsive skill, even if it was good 'ole Luke Skywalker. Thus, the impulsive requirement was dropped and you've got the undisputed lightsaber combat champion of all time in Grand Master Luke Skywalker... and he weighs in at a whopping 115 points.

Rob

Still think he should have master 3, what with him being the strongest force user of all time and whatnot

That said, dear lord this guy is a beast, he's going to eviscerate darth bane o.O. Which i suppose he should, what with the whole costing 115. I guess my only problem is, at that cost, he should have a better chance against heavy shooters (see IG 86 droids). I feel like master 3 would have given him that..

MarkIV wrote:

Still think he should have master 3, what with him being the strongest force user of all time and whatnot

My guess is that this Luke is supposed to represent him as a master of Lightsaber Combat, not the Force . Wait about 4 sets for the "Luke Skywalker, Master of the Force" and we'll see how they compare. I'm betting we'll get an ~80-pt Luke that has awesome Force powers and mediocre combat abilities around that time.

S1AL wrote:

My guess is that this Luke is supposed to represent him as a master of Lightsaber Combat, not the Force . Wait about 4 sets for the "Luke Skywalker, Master of the Force" and we'll see how they compare. I'm betting we'll get an ~80-pt Luke that has awesome Force powers and mediocre combat abilities around that time.

It's ok because JA is going to introduce Jedi Younglings looking like this:

Jedi Youngling 10 points
Republic
HP: 20
Def: 12
Atk: +2
Dam: 10

Special Abilities
Affinity (This character may be in a New Republic squad.)
Melee Attack

Force Powers
Force 1
Force Spirit 2

...solves a bunch of problems with Jedi as far as I'm concerned...

Gemini1179 wrote:

It's ok because JA is going to introduce Jedi Younglings looking like this:

Jedi Youngling 10 points
Republic
HP: 20
Def: 12
Atk: +2
Dam: 10

Special Abilities
Affinity (This character may be in a New Republic squad.)
Melee Attack

Force Powers
Force 1
Force Spirit 2

...solves a bunch of problems with Jedi as far as I'm concerned...

You could give that piece 10 HPs and I'd still play it for that cost. I love the idea of a cheap Force Spirit 2.

Everyone who worked hard deserves a thanks. And thanks to Rob and Sarah for the hints.

bjbrains wrote:

Yea, it's on the FAQ over at the main site under special abilities

Page 23 of CW rules book AoO Single Attack: An AoO is asingle attack.Even characters with special ablities that allow them to make additional attacks can make only one AoO.
Glossary - AoO:A single immediate attack yada yada etc.

ellekreia wrote:

Page 23 of CW rules book AoO Single Attack: An AoO is asingle attack.Even characters with special ablities that allow them to make additional attacks can make only one AoO.
Glossary - AoO:A single immediate attack yada yada etc.

And what triggers with every attack? Twin attack. You cannot, however, use Double or Triple attack (ie, special abilities that allow [you] to make additional attacks) on AoOs.

Twin works.

Or, just look at the FAQ under Twin Attack:

FAQ]Q: Can you use Twin Attack on an attack of opportunity, immediate attack granted by a commander like the Imperial Officer, or Extra Attack granted by a Gonk Droid or General Windu?

A: Yes.[/quote wrote:

Q: Can you use Twin Attack on an attack of opportunity, immediate attack granted by a commander like the Imperial Officer, or Extra Attack granted by a Gonk Droid or General Windu?

A: Yes.

Back to the correct topic (go to the rules forum if you want to debate Twin/AoOs).....

Congrats guys! I really wish I could get on the forums here more often and could have helped with this. I know when I helped crack Yomin Carr for A&E it was an awesome feeling. Nice work!!

I gotta say, I'm surprised to finally see a 100+ point figure, but I'm glad Luke was the first! I had hoped that the new GM version of Luke would have his 'Emerald Sparks' ability, but like somebody pointed out, maybe we'll see an uber-Force user version of Luke at some point and he can have it then. For now, I will happily use this one and have a LOT of fun with it!

GWEk wrote:

Whoever figured out DSSM deserves a great deal of thanks--I only fixed the last word or two.

Congratulations. It's the last bit that is the hardest.

Most people can increase a score from 50% to 55%. It is a rare person who can make the gap from 95% to 100%.

will there be a new one?

since this one has been cracked already.....