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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 11:39AM
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 11:49AM
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Yoda activates and double attacks Vader's App right now. This should put 40 on him. Second activation is the Gungan at E3 - he uses Cesta on the Gran. Sure it could hit yoda, but you take the risk, and he has plenty of fps to reroll if necessary. If you kill VA on the first cesta, then use the second on Vader himself. If not, cesta again. Odds are you should either kill or activate VA.
Now, Vader will likely pound Yoda for 60, but he survives another round. Now pound Vader with all the gungans you can. You might even take him down that round, and should Yoda die, you are still in good shape.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 12:15PM
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Odds are you should either kill or activate VA.
Cesta only activates nonliving characters.
Also, how are you using Cesta against the VA? It follows normal targetting rules, and you can't get VA without cover.
You could toss first against the Gran, but if he (the Gran) fails his save, you only get the one Cesta shot at the Apprentice (for being adjacent to the Gran).
Also, does anyone actually see where the Ugnaught is? I can't see him for the life of me ... [Not that it matters all that much ...]
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 12:43PM
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I haven't read the other responses yet, but I'll read them after posting my response. Yoda was a lucky green punk to win init. :P First activation: Yoda gains a FP (up to 4 now) and double-attacks Vader's Apprentice Unleashed (VAU). If he gets lucky with a crit, then VAU is toasted and he'll get an additional attack (Flurry), but you obviously can't plan on that. He saves his force points though, for re-rolling his Cesta saves (coming up). Yoda doesn't attack Vader unless he happens to crit VAU, for fear of Vader's Djem-So. Second activation: the Gungan Artillerist at E3 shoots his Cesta at the Gran/VAU/Yoda, likely killing Vau (who is now at 10hp) and the Gran. Yoda needs to make both saves (rerolling with FP twice if necessary) if he's to survive this round. Since it's my turn, I can determine the order of who makes the saves (correct me if I'm wrong?), so I'll make Yoda roll his saves last. If VAU uses a FP to reroll a save, then Yoda will Cancel it, still having 1 FP left for rerolling his own saves. If VAU doesn't use a FP, then Yoda can reroll thrice. If Yoda makes both his saves, then Vader can only do 60dmg to Yoda this turn (barring crits), which would really put the pinch on the Imperial player. EDIT: Yep, it looks like Bill and I have the same response. Kill VAU right away. @ Elvenshae, Cesta works just like Missiles: it affects the target as well as everyone adjacent to the target, so VAU is in real trouble.  One more thing, just thought of it: the E3 Gungan moves to base Palpatine after shooting his Cesta. It won't likely have a big impact (one small AOO), but it's better than standing there doing nothing after activating.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 1:04PM
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@ Elvenshae, Cesta works just like Missiles: it affects the target as well as everyone adjacent to the target, so VAU is in real trouble.
Yes, I know, but let's look at how that works (assuming you're using the E3 Gungan):
You're guaranteed to get 1 Cesta shot off on the Gran (which will automatically include VA). There's a 50% chance this affects the VA, and a 50% chance it kills off the Gran.
If it kills the Gran, you can't throw your second Cesta at VA. He's in cover (from Yoda), and Vader is both closer and not in cover, and thus the VA isn't a legal target.
If you want to make it so that you can throw the Cesta and get VA, even if the Gran dies on the first toss, then you need to move the E3 Gungan before Cesta-ing (G2 looks like the best stopping spot). But, then, you can't end your turn next to Palps.
[EDIT: And, in no case, do you get to activate VA through Cesta.]
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 1:07PM
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Yes, good point. I see what you mean now. Recognizing that, it would obviously be best to move the Gungan to G2 or G1 first, before Cest-ing. Now VAU and Vader are both legal targets if the Gran dies on the first one.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 1:09PM
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Yes, good point. I see what you mean now. Recognizing that, it would obviously be best to move the Gungan to G2 or G1 first, before Cest-ing. Now VAU and Vader are both legal targets if the Gran dies on the first one.
Yes I simply omitted the move portion in my explanation. That's a good clarification and is what I intended.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 1:20PM
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@Elvenshae: You're not blind. The Ugnaught was defeated.  Sorry for the confusion. Good discussion so far.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 1:24PM
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Yes I simply omitted the move portion in my explanation. That's a good clarification and is what I intended.[/quote]
Yep, it's the minor stuff like that which is easy to forget when you're playing endless games during a tournament. Like at Gencon.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2008 - 2:05PM
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Okay, I really don't see how the Imperials can come out on top, but barring crits and going with probabilities (as well as the previously mentionned strategy for the Republic), than Vader should the the last remaining threat after Yoda and the Gungan's onslaught. Vader should activate first, then spend a Force Point to move faster, all the way to F7, where he will try to hurt Tarpals. You can activate Palpatine next, spend a Force Point to move faster, and bring him to D8 to neutralize some Gungans. Then, pray to survive dans win Initiative next round!
Darth Waste, Endbringer
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