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Corrections on the way! In the mean time, what's the best move with each side? :D

fingersandteeth wrote:

Revan plays the range game.

I would use revans CE to put Caedus on the H3 of the Door and Ain ('t no)Ting to dart Fel. Hope it hits. If it hits then Dart him again followed by Revan Corrupting him at i5 for the quick kill. No bodyguard allowed. Revan will impede the knights process to Caedus who you hope stays alive long enough to dart again, caedus gets the bodyguard.
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These were my thoughts exactly. This strategy makes the best use of your advantages and cancels your opponent's (bodyguard, Cortosis). Dropping your opponent's main beat from the start will give you a huge advantage. Waiting or deferring init will only play to your opponent's strengths. He could try to screen the dart by placing ugnaughts in front of Fel, or simply wait you out with Ozzel.

Having made some abortive attempts at using Caedus as a beatstick, I believe double darting is the way to go. The Fel player made a HUGE mistake by exposing Fel. The dart is so easy to hinder because of the targeting rules. A single well-placed ugnaught would have been such a problem for Caedus....

So, what exactly is the point of this challenge? I think something like this would be more useful if we had a certain goal to acheive within one phase; since writing out all possible situations and responses would make for a very long post (longer than this one). So I'll just say what I would do for both players' first phases of the round. I'd be surprised if nobody else mentions these ideas; but I thought I'd mention them anyway.

For Revan's side: I think the most damaging thing you could do in the given situation is to use Revan's CE to move Caedus to J5. Have Caedus use AtFw and Poison Dart Fel. The first activation would be to have Caedus use Poison Dart again on Fel. For the second activation, I'd move Revan to I5 and use Corruption on Fel. At the least, Fel takes 20 damage (Corruption), and defeated if he fails both saves (20 from Corruption + 80 from Poison Dart x2).

In the likely, but rare chance that Revan's side would lose initiative, I'd probably use Revan's CE to move the Human Scout to D9. That way I could use an activation later in the game to open the door with an Ugnaught then have the Duros Scoundrel move through the door (to F9) and shoot whomever may be a good target for Cunning Attack; have the Human Scout combine fire and assuming that Draco or another character is at J9 the Scoundrel would be attacking with a +17* Attack with +20 Damage while the target gets a -4 Defense.

*(+6 Attack +4 from Cunning Attack, +4 Combine Fire w/ Scout, +3 from Revan's CE)

Another alternative would be to use Revan's CE to move the Human Bodyguard to F6. To have a chance of attacking Caedus, Fel would have to move away from his adjacent allies (the opponent wouldn't get to move anyone adjacent to Fel because of Ozzel). Plus, to get adjacent to Caedus, he would have to provoke an attack of opportunity (a +6 [Revan's CE] won't likely hit a 20 but there's always the possibility) and you wouldn't have to worry about the Gauntlets. If Fel attacks the Bodyguard, he'll probably hit but it would be against a 17, rather than a 14 (again, Revan's CE).

Of course, if you didn't want to put your Bodyguard in harm's way just yet, you could sacrifice an Ugnaught (either the one at B7 or C8 can make it to F6).

For Fel's side: If Revan's side goes first, Emperor Palpatine might be down 1 or 2 Force points; using them to reroll Fel's save versus Caedus' Poison Dart.
If Revan's side chose Fel's to go first, since I only have 1 activation (Ozzel), I'd move the Ugnaught Demolitionist at O8 to J6 so that Revan's side will have to work slightly harder to eliminate Fel, assuming he's still alive. If Fel is dead, I'd use one of the Imperial Knights and move to J6 and attack Revan. I'd have to hit a 25 Defense, but at least I'd have a +13 to do it; thanks to Synergy.

If Fel manages to survive, I'd move a Knight to J4, risking an AoO, and attack Revan. I chose J4 so another character could attack Revan later.

fingersandteeth wrote:

its to make you think....

Fine, let me rephrase; "Other than the obvious, what exactly is the point of this specific challenge?"

fingersandteeth wrote:

I think this move is incorrect as you have now moved revan and cadeus adjacent allowing Emperor palpatine to do 60 dmg rather than 30.

You might want to take another look at the map. Palpatine isn't adjacent to the door so it would have to be openend first. Because Ozzel is on that squad, that'll be a challenge to do with only one activation per phase.

The text below was added later.

Let's say Palpatine didn't have the door to worry about. He couldn't use Lightning against Caedus where he is, he'd have to move to N3 (at the least), leaving him in the open for fun next round. With the exception of luck (rolling crit hits), there's no way Caedus or Revan will be dead at the end of the round; plus luck may really be on my side and a few (if not all attacks) could miss. Provided Wicket and the Duros Scoundrel are where they are during the my last four activations, I'd move Wicket so that he's within 6 of Palpatine and the Duros Scoudrel to D8.

I assume my opponent would want to kill either Sith the next round so they would've had to do as I mentioned above and have the Knights and Draco attack that Sith. I would assume they'd go for Caedus because Palpatine would be able to finish him off with Lightning. Revan would have 10 HP remaining and the Ugnaughts wouldn't be likely to hit. Whichever my opponent chose, wouldn't effect what I would do. Assuming I didn't lose initiative, Caedus would use Revan's CE to move to M2. Caedus would then spend a Force point for Sith Rage and attack Palpatine. Caedus needs a 3 (thanks to Wicket) so he's not likely to miss his two attacks; 60 damage to Palpatine. Since my opponent only has one activation, his response will likely be to defeat the Sith he damaged with the three Knights, which won't be easy now that he's based with Caedus (unless it was Caedus which he'll likely be dead if he had 90 damage). I'd then move the Duros Explorer to D3, which provides an open shot on Palpatine. Duros Scoundrel would need a 6 (thanks to Cunning Attack +20 and Wicket). The Scoundrel isn't likely to miss so Palpatine would take 30; a total of 90 damage.

If Caedus has 90, I would assume my opponent would use Palpatine to Force Storm him for the kill then move into the room, closing the door. Revan would probably attack, at least, one Knight. Even if the Knight gets Gauntlets, Revan can still damage with Corruption and Force Storm. I'd then move the Bodyguard adjacent to Revan, probably shooting whomever I could.

If Revan has 90, Palpatine couldn't Lightning him without provoking AoO (he'd have to move away from Caedus since he's adjacent). I doubt he would since I'd have a Force point for Sith Rage (when he attacked Palpatine he got a Force point) and only need a 3 to hit; he'd be left with 10 HP and would have to leave the safety of the room to get Revan, who would still be alive afterwards. In addition, he'd also get two of his Knights and/or Draco (whichever two are adjacent to Revan). The last reason not to do that, you'd have to move Palpatine so he was no longer in range of Wicket's traps, Revan's Corruption, and also have it so Wicket couldn't deal the last 10. If the two Knights, and Draco, teamed up on Revan, they'd all have to hit (or get a crit) to kill him. Not easy to do with only one activation (again, Ozzel). Palpatine is needed to make the Knights/Draco more formiddable against the Sith and since's he's in immediate danger from Caedus, he'd probably Force Storm him then move into the room; hoping that the Knights/Draco would keep Caedus occupied next round. If that's the case, Palpatine would likely have only 10 HP left from Caedus' AoO.

In other words, if my opponent wants me to give Palpatine a bloody nose, I'd be happy to oblige.

Wow, klecser, you keep snakes? It's nice to see that someone appreciates reptiles

On topic...

Does Wicket have Melee Attack? I think you made a mistake there

Best move for Revan would be the Flow Walk/Dart/Corruption combo.

Since no one has tried to create a solution for Fel yet, here's my shot at it :P Bear in mind that this is based on the assumption that Caedus Darts twice, and hence stays put at H3 (deduced from previous posts).

My first attempt at a solution for a Strategy Showcase, so here goes :D

Fel's Moves Show

Would my solution be feasible? It's luck-reliant, but that's what happens whenever dice are involved

armaghedron wrote:

Correction, you'd blow open the door; period. Remember, Ozzel only allows your squad one activation per phase.

I am aware of Ozzel's CE. All my proposed moves are designed to hopefully work around Ozzel's CE, hence their sequencing.

Palps can move as planned during the next phase.

armaghedron wrote:

What they seem to want you to do is to say every move you'd make for the remainder of the game; for both sides. To really do it right, you'd be wise to include what your opponent is likely to do and how you would respond. A long freakin' post if you ask me.

The writers of these puzzles (Ironlightsaber and myself) post regularly on the boards. So, we would love to hear your feedback. The intent of these puzzles is simply to give you an opportunity to think about a game situation. You are absolutely correct that thorough responses could take time. You don't have to do that to participate. One of the great things about these puzzles is it can really show newer players a more experienced players thought process.

armaghedron wrote:

True. Very true. My point in questioning the reason for this (particular) showcase was that I didn't see an objective. If they had said something like, "Your opponent has X points toward victory. What can you do in a single phase in order to score more points than your opponent", then I wouldn't even had asked.

I LOVE this idea! We'll incorporate it in to some future showcases! Melee Attack issue is in the process of being fixed!

Thanks to everyone who has responded! Great ideas so far!

Wedge772 wrote:

I'm thinking Revan to J5 just to serve as a blocker. That way, Fel and the Knights can't get to Caedus without using a FP to move and take an AoO from Revan.

Wow, you've just thought of the one way my possible solution could be severely hampered Didn't expect you to have cracked it so soon, though :P This was the one thing I was thinking about when formulating it.

Caedus should survive the round, and the Knights have to deal with Revan, who will also probably survive.

Not always true.

A player could try and take out Caedus using just Palps and a Knight, while the other Knight, Fel and Antares can deal with Revan. As you've said, Fel has enough meat to protect him :D

Once Caedus is down, use Palps and Antares to clean up the Fringe support pieces on Revan's squad.

MasterShaper wrote:

A player could try and take out Caedus using just Palps and a Knight, while the other Knight, Fel and Antares can deal with Revan. As you've said, Fel has enough meat to protect him :D

Once Caedus is down, use Palps and Antares to clean up the Fringe support pieces on Revan's squad.

After reading Dread_Pirate's solution, I realised I had totally forgot Antares has Push. If Revan moves to J5 as a blocker, he is toast. Palpatine zaps for 30, then Antares moves to L5 to Push Revan to J6. Fel now has 3 Opportunist attacks on Revan needing 5s to hit; if all hit and Revan fails a Block, he's dead. Then the 2 Knights go up and base Caedus. Only way for Revan at J5 to stop all this is to move another blocker (say the Bodyguard) up to J6... but the other 2 Knights can take out whatever moves there first. I'm assuming the Imperial player takes all these activations after Revan is done (just spinning Ozzel and Ugnaughts) since they don't need to activate any earlier than that.

If Fel doesn't drop in that first phase, it really is over for Revan.

fingersandteeth wrote:

revans team need to do 130 dmg in the 1st round which includes a dead fel and a 30 dmg strike on one of the imperial nights (draco would be best).

And much like the threat of the dart, there is the slim chance that Revan can be completely rendered useless with a super lucky lightsaber block by Fel or one of his knights.

Why can't the dart be bodyguarded?

Boris_the_Dwarf wrote:

I can't stress how ecstatic I am about seeing articles by the players on the main page but this is why strategy articles like this have consistently failed.

I'm sorry that you aren't getting much out of these Boris. The fact is that we are never going to reach every audience in every puzzle.

What SEEMS like an easy solution to you and the more experienced players, may be COMPLETELY missed by a novice. We have an opportunity here to help these novice players and this is the intent of the puzzles. The comments of experienced players are greatly appreciated to show inexperienced players how a more veteran player would think about a situation.

There is also a lot of considerations that we have to follow in creating puzzles, many of them artistic. Some of you may wonder: "Why don't you just take a photo in the middle of a really good game?" The short answer is that this game tends to be played across entire fields, with fragile commanders often out of frame. We can't photograph puzzles spread over a wide area and get it to fit format. We want to see entire armies in dramatic action. So, often we have to pre-fabricate for it to be able to be photographed.

Future puzzles will have different foci. I can't tell you about any future work because it violates my Non-Disclosure Agreement.

So, thanks for expressing your opinion Boris. I do give them serious consideration and I am especially considering your earlier suggestion of puzzles that are more about specific damage exchange. :D

Boris_the_Dwarf wrote:

Before I even started reading the descriptions, I thought from looking at the picture, "Wow the Fel player is a total newb!"

To be fair, I think it is important to consider the possibility of aggressive play and taking a risk to "bait" the Revan side into Darting and then Fel making a save. It is a serious risk and I think most players, in tourney games, would elect to bodyguard Fel right from the start. But, if Caedus misses the second dart, you almost are handing 60 points to your opponent. A huge risk.

Of course, being in game is different from looking at one from the outside. Part of playing the game is also recovering from mistakes. Even if the Fel player made a mistake, there is value in talking about how they would recover.

We'll let you know what actually happened in a version of this game that we played (on a different map) after some more people post ideas.

There is also a lot of considerations that we have to follow in creating puzzles, many of them artistic. Some of you may wonder: "Why don't you just take a photo in the middle of a really good game?" The short answer is that this game tends to be played across entire fields, with fragile commanders often out of frame. We can't photograph puzzles spread over a wide area and get it to fit format. We want to see entire armies in dramatic action. So, often we have to pre-fabricate for it to be able to be photographed.

You might consider having the camera available and just take a snapshot when you hit a situation with some tough choices to be made. Then reconstuct it later by moving commanders and less critical figures so they better fit in the picture area.

klecser wrote:

Now, neither Ironlightsaber or I will pretend that we are experts at creating strategy articles. We take this opportunity very seriously and are doing the best we can with the time we have. I'm sure there are plenty of boards members that could do a better job than us and would have more time to do it. We're having fun doing it right now, and we do appreciate your general support of the endeavor, even if you disagree with the execution.

Well like I said before I already demonstrated my design wasn't any better.


Regarding what a novice would do, I think its more likely that he/she would just move into melee base with the opponent at the end of the round rather than set a few squares away and wait to get pummeled. I make bad plays from time to time (like at GenCon last year and the other night on Vassal), but I can't imagine anyone not playing for the very first time setting up their Fel when they can only activate one character per phase and their opponent has MT that close to the danger zone unless they are just very, very bad at strategy games.

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought the goal of this was to make people think about options. This set-up has NO options. Fel dies and Revan wins. The only thing that prevents that is completely bad luck on the part of the Sith player, and nothing beats bad luck.

Keep in mind too that the less danger your main pieces are in, the more options you have. I would really hate to see an article where side A has the lead and their best option is to turtle and/or run. That wouldnt make a very good article.

By setting it up so key pieces are there to be engaged can present better "options" as far as writing even if it may never happen game wise.

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought the goal of this was to make people think about options. This set-up has NO options. Fel dies and Revan wins. The only thing that prevents that is completely bad luck on the part of the Sith player, and nothing beats bad luck.

Actually, Fel dying is the bad luck. There's only a 37% chance of both darts hitting assuming Fel will (rightfully) reroll saves both times after realizing what could happen.

I see timid advances all the time among average players, particularly in cases where they're guaranteed to lose init. I don't think it's as far-fetched as you do (though it is one of the more one-dimensional "spot the trick" kind of puzzles vs a more open-ended one.) The more interesting part is what happens when Fel makes the save on the second dart.

_NickName_ wrote:

Actually, Fel dying is the bad luck. There's only a 37% chance of both darts hitting assuming Fel will (rightfully) reroll saves both times after realizing what could happen.

I see timid advances all the time among average players, particularly in cases where they're guaranteed to lose init. I don't think it's as far-fetched as you do (though it is one of the more one-dimensional "spot the trick" kind of puzzles vs a more open-ended one.) The more interesting part is what happens when Fel makes the save on the second dart.

I don't mind "spot the trick" puzzles. In fact, I like "spot-the-trick" puzzles.

I wouldn't label this puzzle that way, though, more of a "spot-the-bad-play" sort. :P

A player who has tempo control moving his key figure into the worst possible position? Wow.

Also, I'm not a statistician, but 37% sounds low to me. It is a save 16, after all. I would give odds of missing all 4 (including rerolls) about 25%.

It's really funny reading all the comments and knowing how the actual game and set up of the puzzle went.

I do not think that the Fel player is in as much trouble as it first appears. Not only does Fel have good odds at surviving one or both darts but do not discount a squad just because one piece is lost. Having activation control and a solid piece like RS Emperor is still a major power to contend with.

If you want more of a challenge then take the puzzle to the next step and figure out what you would do if Fel did made one or both of his saves (it's easily possible).

Boris_the_Dwarf wrote:

Whoops that's what I meant, that Fel's odds of missing 3 out of 4 is about 75%.

He has a 25% or so chance of survival. Not only am I not a statistician, I am a student of "fuzzy math." :P

Its important that it was brought up. The odds of that ability happening are key to understanding the situation. :D

But to simplify, his odds of making 1/4 saves at 25% is about 37% as suggested earlier.

(This is not directed at Bill specifically...)

No, that's the odds of him failing all four. The odds of making one or more of them is the inverse, or 63%.

Pretty simple math by calcuting the odds of him failing al 4 chances at 75% or:

.75 x .75. x .75 x .75= .32 (must have read my calculator wrong the first time)

So that leaves the other .68 or 68% of the time that he makes one or more.

Or you can do it manually by mapping out the 256 combinations like:

1111 through 1234 through 4444

Then you can look through all the combinations for those that don't have any 4 (signifying the 25% chance of success.) There will be 81 that fail all four times.

And, not surprisingly, 81/256=32% again, meaning 68% of the time there's at least one "success".

Math is fun. :D

(Hopefully, emr131 will come along and confirm I haven't made some bonehead error in my base statistics rules.)

Then, as Bill mentioned, Corruption complicates matters but that doesn't affect the dart survival odds.

Yeah I would be more likely to base and swing four times with Assault or Rage.

The odds of Fel blocking all 4 attacks are lower, and less chance of his CG's working than of him making the save vs. Dart.

Shaggscoob wrote:

because only attacks can be bodyguarded. direct damage from special abilities and force powers cannot be.

So you can't BG missiles, grenades, Palpy's lightning?

_NickName_ wrote:

(This is not directed at Bill specifically...)


.75 x .75. x .75 x .75= .32 (must have read my calculator wrong the first time)

So that leaves the other .68 or 68% of the time that he makes one or more.

This is correct.


It's still may be a better option than assault or rage melee attacks.

Caedus misses on a 1-6, 30% miss chance, or 70% hit chance.

Assuming Assault on first turn, followed by Rage / Double second turn

20 dam x 70% hit chance x 50% block chance + 20 dam x 70% hit chance = 21 expected damage

30 dam x 70% hit chance x 50% block chance + 30 dam x 70% hit chance = 31.5 expected damage

52.5 total expected damage. This makes intuitive sense. Caedus will land 3/4 attacks. One will be blocked. So 2/4 will probably hit and do damage. 20 non-rage + 30 rage = 50.

versus

First Dart: 40 damage x 75% save success x 75% save success (force reroll) = 22.5 expected damage

Second Dart: 40 damage x 75% save success x 75% save success (force reroll) = 22.5 expected damage

45 expected damage.

This initially suggests to me that melee will do slightly more damage on average than the Dart. But there are downsides, specifically you are exposing vulnerable Caedus to Triple Attack and Cortosis. And if Fel rolls Cortosis on your first attack, you lose the second attack, and will do even less damage than my calcs would suggest (my model didn't incluide this possibility, it would take a big probability tree...).

What matters the most in this case, though, is the probability of "total success," meaning killing Fell outright from turn one. You want Fel dead immediately to swing the game in your favor. As previously mentioned, the chance of killing Fel w/ Dart+Corruption is 32%. The chance of killing Fel outright by hitting with 4 melee attacks is:

Turn 1 Aing Tii: (70% hit chance x 50% block chance x 70% hit chance)
times
Turn 2 normal: (70% hit chance x 50% block chance x 70% hit chance)
= 6%.

the chance of hitting Fel w/ 3 attacks and finishing with Corruption is.....tricky to calculate. Running some dirty numbers suggests about 10%. So 6% + 10% chance of killing Fel with 4 melee attacks, or 3 melee attacks + Corruption.

The dart is probably the better option.
But I make no claim that my rushed calcs make it cut and dry.

Lunch break over gotta go!

PS crits would change these #s slightly
PPS in any case the melee damage would probably jst get pawned onto the Ugs.

As others have stated (and proven statistically), the Poison Dart is the way to go. Even with Fel out of the way, though, the Sith team will not have it easy. Those Imperial Knights could handle Revan (in spite of Revan's Duelist). Plus, Caedus may have taken some damage from Fel already. It all hinges on two successful darts on Force Corruption. Needless to say, Palpatine, Draco and the Knights are a scary prospect after Fel is gone.

ironlightsaber wrote:

If you want more of a challenge then take the puzzle to the next step and figure out what you would do if Fel did made one or both of his saves (it's easily possible).

well this was eluded to earlier.

1st the position of the pieces (revan and cadeus) should be non-adjacent.

the slow movement of the fel imperials will make strategic positioning of scrubs optimal to prevent either a zap or divert a 20 dmg hit from cadeus to an uggie.

essentially your 1st moves are
intu, flow dart, dart, corrupt (best if it hits; 1/3 gambilng)

or; intu, flow dart, dart (bad), burn uggie

intu flow dart (bad), retreat, burn uggie (or move for scoundrel shot).

j3 is important for stopping zaps

Well, speaking as a relative noob, I enjoyed the puzzle and the above discussions. I don't own many of the minis in the puzzle, so I'm not familiar with their CEs. The 'obvious' solution of darting Fel was not obvious to me. But I'm still learning, and the puzzle is very useful for gaining a better understanding of the game.

I like the idea behind this one but I think a different palpatine (perhaps the Seperatist Darth Sideos from Champions of the Force) should be used because a player with any skill at all will completely dominate with Revan's squad as Revan himself is strong enough to take Fel, Palpatine, and several Imperial knights even without Caedus' help.

ironlightsaber wrote:

As far as the outcome of the game I think maybe Klecser should post to the first puzzle thread and tell what happened in that game.

Did that almost a month ago. But I will cook up the thread and bump it.

Fingers, thanks for your words. They mean a lot to me, especially coming from you, a great player, and an important community member.

I'm REALLY excited about the third one. :D

One other nice thing that the Imperial side has going for it is RS Emperor. He is a great force battery, Fel and the Imp. Knights can spend his points in order to save their own for later in the game and the Emperor can always enter the fray and deal some serious, unrolled damage himself.

That said, he really wasn't needed in this game. :D

I think that the 20 block on Revan might have happen a little later in the game but it was the final nail in the coffin at that point.

One thing I missed was that I could have forced pushed Revan into pit with Antares Draco and hoped for eliminating a key piece very early in the fight.

Baiting is a good tactic but a very risky one. You have to consider if losing the piece will be worth the advantage of your opponent moving their piece into the trap if they take the bait. In this case, two lucky saves made it more than worth it.

fingersandteeth wrote:

lol, it played out as i feared.

I was hoping the sith pulled out a great underdog victory but everything went wrong.

I wish the dart did only replace attacks and not turn.

I'm kinda glad it came out this way, since so many people were convinced it was a given to go the other way early on.

Just shows that these two are getting better and better at putting these together! Keep um coming boys, they are an incredible resource and I love that they come from your own games!!!

Windukicks wrote:

use reven's CE to move Caedus to so he can see fel, use flow-walking, use poison dart, then activate Caedus and use dart again, for a total of 80 damage that can't be body guarded, then move reven and use corruption and fel is dead. plain and simple

If that was an attempt at humor, you fail.

Read the thread before you post.

Fel doesn't die if you make 1 save out of 4....

billiv15 wrote:

If that was an attempt at humor, you fail.

Read the thread before you post.

Fel doesn't die if you make 1 save out of 4....

save of 16... very hard... and corruption does 20 damage when u use it... the only time u have to make a save is when u activate. and if i count right there is only 2 saves... thanks for trying though:P :D

Windukicks, post #47 of this thread has an excellent breakdown of why the dart/corruption attack seems like a sure thing but when the number of re-rolls using force points is actually figured out the proposed moves will most likely not finish off Fel.

Read first, type second. :P

The odd of him making one (or more) are 68%. That's not slim by any stretch of the imagination.

You people. YOU'RE ATTACKING THE WRONG EMPEROR.

Revan wins init, obv. So we ang-ti before his CE (It's my order, they're both immediate, I get to choose, right?) 12 spaces to the security room door protecting Ozzel and Palpy. Then we CE, strolling inside, and finally, after 18 spaces of movement, our Sith Boy is basing both the Palpatine and Ozzel. Cut Oz once, just to make sure any lightning or movement on his part gets him dead, and then focus on Palpatine. (Psst, by now? Your Imperial opponent is... panicked.) His new focus is getting enough forces inside that room to prevent your escape (and rightly so) but whatever he does, he'll be both burning away P's forcepoints and turning his main assault away from Revan. With only a little luck you can take advantage of his disarray, corrupt and run.

Of course, I've been told I'm too aggressive. What do you think?

Hmm. Well, are we playing for time here, or no?

Panic might be a too strong word for the reaction, but even a good player (maybe even especially a good player) will take some time to re-think when surprised. I like to give my opponent decisions he hasn't already considered.

I agree that the Sith are overmatched, completely, but moving up with the two heavy peices for a 1 in 3 chance of evenning the odds? Not winning, but just evenning things up? That seems like a recipe for disaster. As, I think, you found out.

I think the key is leaving Revan in the center of his web, let the imps come in, get trapped and pound on them with your (effectively) +8 trash. Which is another reason I think killing the block battery is so important.

I think that countering the strong move of Fel as bait by making a strong move and going after a different target like RS Emp could actually a very sound idea.

Instead of walking into the trap of attacking Fel you move to a completely different target. It's possible that inexperienced players would not be surprised by such a move but that might not be the case. Most players thought that taking Fel would be easy only to find that it is not as simple as it looks. Changing the direction of attacks in a game can be important against any player.

By eliminating Ozzle you could change the pace of the Imp activations and possibly balance out the rounds more into the favor of Revan and company if you also eliminate some of those pesky, but easy to kill, Ugos. By getting rid of the force battery of RS Emp you can seriously hinder the Imps end game when they might really need those force points.

The problem is avoiding the damage from Fel and his knights while attacking RS Emp and Ozzle. However Caedus and Revan have a few things going for them--if Caedus gets into that room the door will close behind him and the Imp player will have to open the door and can only move one knight spending a force point to reach Caedus that round for a single attack. Depending on how they move the knight might not even get Synergy on that first attack.

If Revan doesn't move and Fel moves to attack him he will need to spend a force point to reach his target. That would put him in range of Wicket's Special Ability. If the player wanted he could move Revan and their shooters back away from the melee attackers and try to hit and run as long as possible.

I think that there is more to going after the RS Emp than first appears. Would Revan survive long against the Fel with his triple and armor block if he doesn't move? Can Caedus kill off the Emperor quick enough and get away from the knights? Is sacrificing Caedus to kill RS EMp worth it if he finishes him off?

If you were the Imp player and Caedus went after the RS Emp what would you do?