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3 years ago ::
Sep 07, 2010 - 10:58AM
#51
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Date Joined:
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lemme see if i get it
- Using the slave theme IS technically legal, but to those who read/listen to the administration clearly not intended..
- There are several scenarios in which players innocently decide to use it.
- There are several scenarios in which players decide to use it because it is technically legal, while knowing they should not.
- The players mentioned in point 2 probably need some extra communication attention.
- The players mentioned in point 3 are actively being D*cks.
All in all fairly clear cut?
Situation seems to be unchanged. Oh and:
6. I remember why I did not choose law school.
And I agree with Dragon9, as per point 2, there are plenty of ways for people to use a theme innocently. Lets make sure not to tar them with the same brush. I still think the people who use it knowingly though are being D*cks
To DME, or not to DME: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous powergaming, Or to take arms against a sea of Munchkins, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;No more;
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3 years ago ::
Sep 07, 2010 - 11:04AM
#52
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Date Joined:
Aug 22, 2007
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I smell infinite oregano!
Sadly, infinite oregano is true in LFR.
The humor behind that joke is that, in a normal D&D game, it doesn't matter if your character is completely legal by the rules. If the rest of your group doesn't like it, your friends always have the option of saying, "Yep, you're completely right. We're still not going to allow it."
That's now how LFR works, however.
Under that analogy, LFR would be a potluck dinner where, so long as you strictly followed the recipe, everyone had to eat whatever you brought, with their only other option being to walk away and not have dinner.
In LFR, you can make those you play with eat infinite oregano. Attend any large public event, and the scent of oregano-flavored cheese is overpowering.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 07, 2010 - 12:25PM
#53
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I say we just get rid of the allowance of use of Dragon Content except for content listed as FR content. Also get rid of the allowance of use of items from any other Setting in FR as well.
That will solve all of these arguments.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 07, 2010 - 2:40PM
#54
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Date Joined:
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*snif snif*
I smell infinite oregano!
www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/commenta...
You are my hero. That article is so full of win I nearly wet myself.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2010 - 12:02PM
#55
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Well truth be told I hope the Globals, in the reboot, do oil a few of the squeakier wheels. I understand the desire to not have to adjudicate every little squabble, but there are some larger issues that even the most reasonable people could use some direction with. Maybe some sort of FAQ for the CCG. Paizo has one for Pathfinder Society. (Looks around to see if I am about to be lynched.)
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3 years ago ::
Sep 08, 2010 - 2:27PM
#56
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Date Joined:
Jul 20, 2004
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The only real "solution" is to simply live with the FACT that people will show up to games with a template. Use this as a chance to "playtest" the themes mechanic and when the LFR rules get updated again.. you can disallow themes.
I fully expect "themes" to be banned, UNTILL they show up as general options for all campaigns.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2010 - 1:10AM
#57
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I'm said it multiple times, but relying on overheard conversations to propagate knowledge of official rules changes is simply a bad idea. Whether those conversations are live or on some message board. Rules changes need to be ALWAYS in a regular location and ideally on a regular schedule. The best set-up, I think, is stick with the six-month or yearly major updates to the CCG, and minor updates published in the LFR Blog. Put a notation in the next CCG like, "the most up to date rules changes are in the LFR Blog, located at community.wizards.com/lfr/blog/ and will be clearly marked with a RULES UPDATE tag." If the LFR admins need to make a quick ruling, put it on the blog. When you go to update the CCG, roll the blog rules updates into it at that time. Heck, I'd even ask WotC if the Dragon Magazine inclusion into LFR to be changed from "when the compiled issue is released" to "When approved in the LFR Blog". Would allow greater control like "approved except for Themes". Failing that, at least mention in the Blog that "Themes are not being used in LFR at this time, including related content from Dragon Magazine". What we should NOT be seeing is folks being able to claim a new ruling is official cos they saw some post on a message board or overheard someone at a convention. -karma
LFR Characters:
Lady Tiana Elinden Kobori Silverwane - Drow Control Wizard
Kro'tak Warscream - Orc Bard
Fulcrum of Gond - Warforged Laser Cleric
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3 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2010 - 3:23AM
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I like to think that I hang out on these boards somewhat more often than the average LFR player. But this is the first I've heard that themes aren't intended to be allowed in LFR. I don't at all consider that to be obvious, and would guess that 90%+ of LFR players have no clue that this is the case.
Absent reading this discussion, there's nothing inherent in the idea of "themes" that would tip me off as a DM that a character was bringing something inappropriate to the table. What does seem obvious (to me) about the issue raised by the OP is that it's unbalancing to be able to start a character with a free extra power, and it's detrimental to the campaign to be allowing that. But I suppose not everyone would consider this "obvious".
As a DM I don't see that I woud have grounds to disallow a player from running such a character, provided that they showed me a copy of the Dragon article. I read the CCG the same way that several others do here, i.e. if it's in the final compiled Dragon, it's legal unless CCG lists it as prohibited (like spellscars and dragonmarks).
There is plenty of other stuff in Dragon Magazine that I consider to be overpowered (i.e. Dice of Auspicious Fortune). Rather than disallow it as a table DM I simply respond with DME to increase the challenge level of the adventures when characters show up with this content at my tables. I expect that's what I'll do now if a player sits down at my table with a Escaped Slave background.
bgibbons raises a good point about the content we can expect to be forthcoming in Unearthed Arcana.. I realize that the Globals can't preemptively ban every possible unbalancing item that might ever be published in Dragon. But perhaps it wouldn't be too much trouble in the CCG to add a sentence excluding Unearthed Arcana content?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 11, 2010 - 7:17AM
#59
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Mar 17, 2005
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But perhaps it wouldn't be too much trouble in the CCG to add a sentence excluding Unearthed Arcana content?
Which I expect you will see in the October release.
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