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3 years ago  ::  Aug 19, 2010 - 8:00AM #1
Corwynn
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A Dragon magazine article entitled "Dead Gods" goes into some detail on the worship of dead deities by divine characters:
www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/d...

It validates what was already known to be RAW: divine characters that worship a deity don't lose their powers if that deity dies.  

More interestingly though it explains that it's even possible to ordain new divine characters *after* the deity has died... or as they say "it allows the character to worship and serve an unusual deity".

My elf cleric who claims he's worshiping Mystra feels a bit more justified now!

The rules in LFR don't change of course -- you still have to worship a deity that's alive.  Or rather, the LFR rules haven't changed yet... given FR's sudden amount of dead deities it actually seems much more likely that this campaign world would have a large amount of priests worshiping dead deities.  LFR just doesn't reflect that yet.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 19, 2010 - 11:15AM #2
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Check out the author.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 19, 2010 - 4:39PM #3
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Aug 19, 2010 -- 11:15AM, 22_Over_7 wrote:

Check out the author.


Indeed!

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 21, 2010 - 6:51AM #4
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Just because the author is involved in LFR, does not mean the article automatically applies to LFR Regardless, for now the rules are as they are. If they change, it will be noted in the character creation rules. The article also says that it is up to the DM to decide whether or not new worshippers can be ordained and what the requirements are for this to work.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 21, 2010 - 10:46AM #5
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Aug 21, 2010 -- 6:51AM, Madfox11 wrote:

Just because the author is involved in LFR, does not mean the article automatically applies to LFR


Agreed, and I didn't mean to imply otherwise if it seemed like that.  What I am happy to see though is that people heavily involved in LFR are the ones writing these type of articles (and I personally think it fits FR like a glove).  I look hopeful towards the new CCG.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 26, 2010 - 8:36PM #6
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Aug 19, 2010 -- 8:00AM, Corwynn wrote:

It validates what was already known to be RAW: divine characters that worship a deity don't lose their powers if that deity dies.  

More interestingly though it explains that it's even possible to ordain new divine characters *after* the deity has died... or as they say "it allows the character to worship and serve an unusual deity".




And of course one must remember that this is also core fluff and doesn't necessarily apply to the FR. 

As a side note... good lord, what is it with Mystra?  Seriously... someone needs to find her corpse and douse her in balefire so she never existed.  Good riddance. 

Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials.  So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy.  Can we just get back to real 4e?

Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki.

1. Wizards fight dirty.  They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9
2. A barbarian hits people with his axe.  A warlord hits people with his barbarian.
3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2010 - 6:51AM #7
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Aug 26, 2010 -- 8:36PM, Dragon9 wrote:


And of course one must remember that this is also core fluff and doesn't necessarily apply to the FR. 




It is not Core fluff, it was explained to me to be the intended Core rules.
It may not apply in LFR, due to campaign rules (we need to keep things manageable), but it is a core rule that when a god dies, a PC cleric keeps its powers. Note that I wrote PC - I added a paragraph to the article explaining how *some* deities may enforce rituals of investment that allow for NPC priests to loose their powers if they displease their deity or the deity dies. That however never applies to PCs.

An example of a deity that might demand such rituals (note I am speculating here) is Lolth (there actually exists a NPC that has lost her divine power due to Lolth's whims, so it stands to reason she has ways). Not every drow may initially use those rituals, of course, but after a week of being visited by demons and Yochlols every night, most priestesses migth get the message...

Gomez

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2010 - 8:35PM #8
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Aug 29, 2010 -- 6:51AM, gomeztoo wrote:

but it is a core rule that when a god dies, a PC cleric keeps its powers.




I certainly wasn't challenging that notion.

Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials.  So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy.  Can we just get back to real 4e?

Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki.

1. Wizards fight dirty.  They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9
2. A barbarian hits people with his axe.  A warlord hits people with his barbarian.
3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 29, 2010 - 9:03PM #9
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Aug 26, 2010 -- 8:36PM, Dragon9 wrote:

As a side note... good lord, what is it with Mystra?  Seriously... someone needs to find her corpse and douse her in balefire so she never existed.  Good riddance. 


You mean you have a hard time believing that FR would have adherents that want to worship a deity of magic?  I mean it's not like it's an obscure or niche area of interest

It's one of the bigger portfolios, and not having a full-time deity for it is a huge gaping hole in the FR Pantheon.  And don't start with Corellon.  He's a great deity and all, but he's a bit too eladrin-focused and out to vanquish evil (FRPG 151) to ever be worshipped by those of all alignments and races who work magic.  Mystra on the other hand, has had many different alignments over her various incarnations, but one thing has always remained true: she's had worshipers of all alignments and has backed evil-aligned spellcasters (such as Larloch) as well as good-aligned spellcasters.  She cares first-and-foremost about the Art (capital A).

Maybe this helps you to understand why some people in FR are passionate about Mystra.  It's not like there's not good cause for it.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 30, 2010 - 4:45AM #10
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In a way Selune and Shar are the godesses of magic now. The first for the unaligned and good worshippers, the second for the unaligned and evil. It is just a shame the FRCG does not go into the details of this...
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