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3 years ago  ::  Jun 04, 2010 - 6:02AM #1
Kurald_Galain
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It seems the Dark Sun books are coming out soon. From various previews, it has been inferred that these contain several new character options,
  • Thri-khreen and mul races
  • A new warlock pact
  • Paragon paths and epic destinies
  • Character themes, which are like backgrounds that give you an extra L1 encounter power

I would be curious to hear which of these, if any, are going to be legal in LFR play.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 04, 2010 - 8:30AM #2
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As soon as the globals have the books, and have had the time to think it over, we will let you know

Thri-keens btw have been part of the FR for ages. They live(d) in the plains surrounding the Great Rift. I suspect those at least are going to be legal. I don't know about the rest. Like with Eberron, WotC asks us to make as much as possible accessible, but without adding the truly defining stuff such as dragonmarks and the like. Without the books it is a bit hard to determine what is and is not defining.
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 04, 2010 - 10:37AM #3
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From the information thus far, I would suggest that Themes are akin to Dragonmarks and should likely remain campaign-specific. I would argue that Muls have no place in LFR. Thri-kreen fit, as Madfox stated. New individual rules items, such as a new pact, likely fit as long as they are not so completely off that they cannot fit. (If the pact is solely driven by Sorcerer-Kings, that would require a lot of reskinning and may be best left out of LFR).
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 04, 2010 - 5:04PM #4
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Jun 4, 2010 -- 10:37AM, Alphastream1 wrote:

I would argue that Muls have no place in LFR D&DCFR.




Fixed that for ya.

You mean like Warforged, Shifters, Shardminds, etc., etc. ?

Defiling/Preserving is definitely setting defining, so I doubt we will see that in D&DCFR.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 04, 2010 - 8:07PM #5
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3 years ago  ::  Jun 04, 2010 - 8:15PM #6
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Jun 4, 2010 -- 10:37AM, Alphastream1 wrote:

I would argue that Muls have no place in LFR.




Is legal to play a Warforged who looks like a Mul in LFR?

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 04, 2010 - 9:07PM #7
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Jun 4, 2010 -- 8:15PM, Mommy_was_an_Orc wrote:

Jun 4, 2010 -- 10:37AM, Alphastream1 wrote:

I would argue that Muls have no place in LFR.




Is legal to play a Warforged who looks like a Mul in LFR?




Here we go again I've explained it before Forgotten Realms is the umbrella under which LFR operates Dark Sun is a "Forgotten Realm", Eberron is a "Forgotten Realm", right on down the line. Almost anything that comes from a "Forgotten Realm" like Spell Jammers, Planscape, Dragonlance, Ravenloft (I know but a person can dream) will be allowed in LFR love it or hate it.            

 
                                                    

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 04, 2010 - 10:07PM #8
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Jun 4, 2010 -- 9:07PM, Vamroc wrote:

Here we go again I've explained it before Forgotten Realms is the umbrella under which LFR operates Dark Sun is a "Forgotten Realm", Eberron is a "Forgotten Realm", right on down the line. Almost anything that comes from a "Forgotten Realm" like Spell Jammers, Planscape, Dragonlance, Ravenloft (I know but a person can dream) will be allowed in LFR love it or hate it.




Interesting perspective.  From what I have read, the phrase "Forgotten Realms" refers to the world of Toril-Abeir in specific, not to all published campaign settings in general.  This seems to be an overwhelmingly common perception.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 04, 2010 - 11:54PM #9
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Jun 4, 2010 -- 9:07PM, Vamroc wrote:

Here we go again I've explained it before Forgotten Realms is the umbrella under which LFR operates Dark Sun is a "Forgotten Realm", Eberron is a "Forgotten Realm", right on down the line. Almost anything that comes from a "Forgotten Realm" like Spell Jammers, Planscape, Dragonlance, Ravenloft (I know but a person can dream) will be allowed in LFR love it or hate it.   




And, here I go again...I've explained this before, too.  Your presumption that the name "Forgotten Realms" makes the campaign world a catch-all for every other campaign world is incorrect.  "Forgotten Realms" was the name which Ed Greenwood (creator of the setting) gave to it when he first started writing fantasy fiction in it as a kid, around 1967.  It was the name which Greenwood used when he first started publishing articles in Dragon magazine about his home D&D campaign, around 1982.  And, thus, it was the name that the setting had when TSR bought the rights to it from Greenwood in the late 1980s.

Certain other campaign settings (at least, before 3E) -- Spelljammer and Planescape, at least, and maybe Ravenloft, too -- acted as sort of "meta-worlds", interconnecting various other TSR campaign settings.  That *doesn't* mean that Spelljammer, for example, became part of the Realms...it meant that players, using the Spelljammer setting, could travel, if they wanted to, between, say, Toril and Greyhawk. 

Since the 3E reboot of the Realms, however, there has been *no* canon connection between the Realms (defined as Abeir-Toril) and any other campaign setting / game world.

Now, in the 4E/LFR era, the LFR staff has been given instructions to include as much from the other campaign setting books (Eberron last year, Dark Sun this year) as they could...assuming they could make such items fit in the Realms campaign setting.  For example, Warforged, from the Eberron setting, are allowed...but, in LFR, a Warforged is *not* a refugee from Eberron; he's native to Abeir-Toril (and one doesn't need to work too hard to figure out a reasonably feasible backstory for the existance of Warforged in the Realms, which has *nothing* to do with Eberron).  Conversely, the staff decided to exclude dragonmarks, because they don't fit well with the Realms setting; nor can your LFR cleric be a worshipper of a deity from the Eberron setting, because they simply do not exist in the Realms.  If your supposition that "Eberron is a 'Forgotten Realm'" were true, then those would be allowed in LFR, as well.

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3 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2010 - 6:57PM #10
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Jun 4, 2010 -- 5:04PM, Dragon9 wrote:

Jun 4, 2010 -- 10:37AM, Alphastream1 wrote:

I would argue that Muls have no place in LFR D&DCFR.




Fixed that for ya.

You mean like Warforged, Shifters, Shardminds, etc., etc. ?

Defiling/Preserving is definitely setting defining, so I doubt we will see that in D&DCFR.




Yeah, right.  Since when are Warforged legal?

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