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3 years ago ::
Apr 28, 2010 - 7:16PM
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Character Builder makes mistakes, same reason at level 1 my Hybrid cleric/battlemind was reporting he had 4 power points instead of just 2.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 28, 2010 - 7:52PM
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Character Builder makes mistakes, same reason at level 1 my Hybrid cleric/battlemind was reporting he had 4 power points instead of just 2.
My Avenger|Psion 2 is reporting that she has 2 power points, just like the rules say. It makes mistakes. They often fix mistakes.
I'm not saying people should treat what shows up on CB as RAW. But when someone thinks that something is RAW and CB clearly disagrees with them, they should strongly consider the possibility that they're misreading intent and/or RAW.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 28, 2010 - 9:27PM
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The error on the battlemind seems to stem from their mark being an at will augmentable power.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 28, 2010 - 9:34PM
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You should get a good laugh out of them at how stupid that sounds.
I'm not saying that it's not a bad situation for them, but it's what the rules state.
Poorly phrased questions to CustServ not withstanding.
That was only part of a conversation that the use posted after some back and forth and we didn't have the rest of it.
If you'd like a clearer one, the other user posted:
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Let me copy and paste your questions so I can answer them more easily.
"I've got a +1 Ki Focus, a +1 Club, Weapon Focus (Unarmed) and Weapon Focus (Club). 1. I attack with a monk power with the implement keyword (99% of them) and use the Ki Focus while wielding only an unarmed strike, I only get the Ki Focus enhancement bonus. The unarmed strike has no bearing on the attack."
Correct. In that case, the Ki Focus is the implement you've chosen to use. It provides all the benefits.
"2. I try to be sneaky and use the unarmed strike as the implement, I get the +1 damage from weapon focus but implement mechanics deny me using the Ki Focus' enhancement bonus on the unarmed strike (although if I was using the unarmed strike as a weapon attack I could apply both the weapon focus and the enhancement bonus)"
Correct. If you choose to use the Unarmed Strike as your Implement, you do not get the benefit from the Ki Focus.
"3. I give up on flavor and use the club as an implement. I get both the enhancement bonus and the weapon focus damage."
Correct.
"Are all three of these scenarios correct? Knowing exactly which of these is right and which is wrong would answer all my questions on this."
Those are all correct.
"Again, thank you for your quick responses and thank you for putting up with these repeated requests for clarification. I'm just having difficulty with Ki Focus and unarmed strikes actually being inferior to a straight weapon for a monk."
You've got the rules correct. Unfortunately, all we can do is explain how the rules work, not why they are the way they are.
Thanks, and Good Gaming!
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Artoomis is also in "negotitations" with CS and they are still backing the non-combo stance even though, but his own admisison, he's trying hard to talk them out it.  And shame on you for ever thinking that I am wrong.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago ::
Apr 28, 2010 - 9:35PM
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This makes my head swim. . .
. . . so it's going into the weekly report for the Rules Update team to hammer on.
I had sent a message to Trevor so they could (hopefully) chew on it. We'll see.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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