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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2010 - 7:16PM #11
ibixat
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Character Builder makes mistakes, same reason at level 1 my Hybrid cleric/battlemind was reporting he had 4 power points instead of just 2.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2010 - 7:52PM #12
Mommy_was_an_Orc
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Apr 28, 2010 -- 7:16PM, ibixat wrote:

Character Builder makes mistakes, same reason at level 1 my Hybrid cleric/battlemind was reporting he had 4 power points instead of just 2.




My Avenger|Psion 2 is reporting that she has 2 power points, just like the rules say. It makes mistakes. They often fix mistakes.

I'm not saying people should treat what shows up on CB as RAW. But when someone thinks that something is RAW and CB clearly disagrees with them, they should strongly consider the possibility that they're misreading intent and/or RAW.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2010 - 9:27PM #13
ibixat
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The error on the battlemind seems to stem from their mark being an at will augmentable power.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2010 - 9:34PM #14
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Apr 28, 2010 -- 5:55PM, Mommy_was_an_Orc wrote:

Apr 28, 2010 -- 3:58PM, Dragon9 wrote:

You should get a good laugh out of them at how stupid that sounds.




I'm not saying that it's not a bad situation for them, but it's what the rules state.

Poorly phrased questions to CustServ not withstanding.




That was only part of a conversation that the use posted after some back and forth and we didn't have the rest of it.

If you'd like a clearer one, the other user posted:

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 Response (Support Agent) 04/26/2010 04:45 PM

Let me copy and paste  your  questions so I can answer them more easily.

"I've got a +1  Ki  Focus, a +1 Club, Weapon Focus (Unarmed) and Weapon Focus (Club).
1.   I attack with a monk power with the implement keyword (99% of them) and   use the Ki Focus while wielding only an unarmed strike, I only get the   Ki Focus enhancement bonus. The unarmed strike has no bearing on the   attack."

Correct.  In that case, the Ki Focus is the implement   you've chosen to use.  It provides all the benefits.

"2. I try to   be sneaky and use the unarmed strike as the implement, I get the +1   damage from weapon focus but implement mechanics deny me using the Ki   Focus' enhancement bonus on the unarmed strike (although if I was using  the unarmed strike as a weapon attack I could apply both the weapon   focus and the enhancement bonus)"

Correct.  If you choose to use   the Unarmed Strike as your Implement, you do not get the benefit from   the Ki Focus.

"3. I give up on flavor and use the club as an   implement. I get both the enhancement bonus and the weapon focus   damage."

Correct. 

"Are all three of these scenarios   correct? Knowing exactly which of these is right and which is wrong   would answer all my questions on this."

Those are all correct.

"Again,   thank you for your quick responses and thank you for putting up with   these repeated requests for clarification. I'm just having difficulty   with Ki Focus and unarmed strikes actually being inferior to a straight  weapon for a monk."

You've got the rules correct.    Unfortunately, all we can do is explain how the rules work, not why they   are the way they are. 


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Artoomis is also in "negotitations" with CS and they are still backing the non-combo stance even though, but his own admisison, he's trying hard to talk them out it.

And shame on you for ever thinking that I am wrong.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials.  So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy.  Can we just get back to real 4e?

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1. Wizards fight dirty.  They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9
2. A barbarian hits people with his axe.  A warlord hits people with his barbarian.
3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 28, 2010 - 9:35PM #15
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Apr 28, 2010 -- 8:43AM, WolfStar76 wrote:

This makes my head swim. . . 

. . . so it's going into the weekly report for the Rules Update team to hammer on.   




I had sent a message to Trevor so they could (hopefully) chew on it.  We'll see.

Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials.  So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy.  Can we just get back to real 4e?

Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki.

1. Wizards fight dirty.  They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9
2. A barbarian hits people with his axe.  A warlord hits people with his barbarian.
3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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