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3 years ago  ::  Apr 05, 2010 - 9:44AM #1
adzk
Date Joined: Oct 18, 2009
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Are they LFR legal items? They appeared in the playtest artificer section of Dragon 365, but never got an update or released in Eberron Player's Guide. Strange thing is they appear in character builder.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 05, 2010 - 9:52AM #2
bgibbons
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Apr 5, 2010 -- 9:44AM, adzk wrote:

Are they LFR legal items? They appeared in the playtest artificer section of Dragon 365, but never got an update or released in Eberron Player's Guide. Strange thing is they appear in character builder.


They appeared in a player-legal resource and have never been errataed.  I don't see why they wouldn't be LFR-legal.

Obviously, when something gets updated from a Dragon Magazine article to a published book (or one published book to a later-published one), the most recent material controls.  There is, however, nothing saying that if one part of an article gets updated at a later date, that everything in the article which hasn't been updated goes away.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 05, 2010 - 11:14AM #3
adzk
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 Thanks for that. I've had someone complain that it shouldn't be an LFR-legal item, but it is very useful for my artificer.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 05, 2010 - 2:47PM #4
Tosta_Dojen
Date Joined: Aug 14, 2006
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Apr 5, 2010 -- 9:52AM, bgibbons wrote:

Apr 5, 2010 -- 9:44AM, adzk wrote:

Are they LFR legal items? They appeared in the playtest artificer section of Dragon 365, but never got an update or released in Eberron Player's Guide. Strange thing is they appear in character builder.


They appeared in a player-legal resource and have never been errataed.  I don't see why they wouldn't be LFR-legal.

Obviously, when something gets updated from a Dragon Magazine article to a published book (or one published book to a later-published one), the most recent material controls.  There is, however, nothing saying that if one part of an article gets updated at a later date, that everything in the article which hasn't been updated goes away.




Actually, Chris Tulach has reportedly said just that: such items, including Cannith Goggles specifically, are not legal in LFR.  Whether that statement is binding upon the campaign is another question, but apparently some people believe it is.

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 05, 2010 - 6:24PM #5
Joe_Shill
Date Joined: Mar 28, 2009
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Apr 5, 2010 -- 2:47PM, Tosta_Dojen wrote:

Apr 5, 2010 -- 9:52AM, bgibbons wrote:

Apr 5, 2010 -- 9:44AM, adzk wrote:

Are they LFR legal items? They appeared in the playtest artificer section of Dragon 365, but never got an update or released in Eberron Player's Guide. Strange thing is they appear in character builder.


They appeared in a player-legal resource and have never been errataed.  I don't see why they wouldn't be LFR-legal.

Obviously, when something gets updated from a Dragon Magazine article to a published book (or one published book to a later-published one), the most recent material controls.  There is, however, nothing saying that if one part of an article gets updated at a later date, that everything in the article which hasn't been updated goes away.




Actually, Chris Tulach has reportedly said just that: such items, including Cannith Goggles specifically, are not legal in LFR.  Whether that statement is binding upon the campaign is another question, but apparently some people believe it is.




Yeah, but 10 months after a hearsay report of a conversation at a con, still nothing in the CCG contraindicating purchase and usage.

"At Gencon 2010, WOTC will announce a new edition of Dungeons & Dragons." - crm(1/2010)
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 06, 2010 - 1:42AM #6
Bigfluffylemon
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If it's in the CB, and first appeared in Dragon, it's legal unless an official rules source (the CCG, or the article in which the it first appeared) states otherwise.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 06, 2010 - 2:03AM #7
Kurald_Galain
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I'm sure Chris Tulach is a great guy, but if his statements at conventions, on twitter, and in forum posts are intended to be taken as an Official Rules Source, then the CCG should say so. This has come up several times in the past year, and it's things like this that cause people to cease taking the CCG seriously and instead just do whatever they feel like.

Yes, by the CCG, Cannith Goggles are still a legal item. No, this is probably not what WOTC intends.
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3 years ago  ::  Apr 06, 2010 - 5:59AM #8
SYB
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Deja vu, anyone?

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 06, 2010 - 7:13AM #9
tyweise
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Apr 6, 2010 -- 1:42AM, Bigfluffylemon wrote:

If it's in the CB, and first appeared in Dragon, it's legal unless an official rules source (the CCG, or the article in which the it first appeared) states otherwise.




Just as a caveat to this - make sure the item/feat/etc. in question was actually published in the compiled issue for that month.

The CB has listed elements that were in the individual articles as having a "Dragon xxx" source even when they did not make the final cut for the issue. (Some of the MP2 style feats come to mind, as an example.)

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3 years ago  ::  Apr 06, 2010 - 7:25AM #10
Joe_Shill
Date Joined: Mar 28, 2009
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Apr 6, 2010 -- 7:13AM, tyweise wrote:

Apr 6, 2010 -- 1:42AM, Bigfluffylemon wrote:

If it's in the CB, and first appeared in Dragon, it's legal unless an official rules source (the CCG, or the article in which the it first appeared) states otherwise.




Just as a caveat to this - make sure the item/feat/etc. in question was actually published in the compiled issue for that month.

The CB has listed elements that were in the individual articles as having a "Dragon xxx" source even when they did not make the final cut for the issue. (Some of the MP2 style feats come to mind, as an example.)




Good point.  Just checked.  Cannith Goggles are on page 15 of the compiled issue.

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