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3 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2010 - 9:13PM
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I can't say I'd recommend a DM enforcing nonsensical rules, but if I were DMing and you refused to even show me your log sheets, your leaving the table wouldn't be in question.
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You may believe the campaign rules are loose enough that it's fine that a player walk around with items that the DM believes violate the rules without anyone being able to do anything to permanently correct that situation. That may very well be true, but they aren't so loose that I am forced to allow such a character to play at any table I run.
I played at a con last weekend and one of my friends not only didn't bring his log sheets, he forgot his character sheet. He scrawled his powers out on a handwritten sheet of paper. Then he just wrote out his LFR reward cards on strips of loose leaf paper. No DM said a word. I have seen much more of this mentality than people questioning item selections. I was just trying to point out that the odds of an LFR DM ever saying take some items back there are illegal is virtually nil.
Daren
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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 8:30AM
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I played at a con last weekend and one of my friends not only didn't bring his log sheets, he forgot his character sheet. He scrawled his powers out on a handwritten sheet of paper. Then he just wrote out his LFR reward cards on strips of loose leaf paper. No DM said a word. I have seen much more of this mentality than people questioning item selections. I was just trying to point out that the odds of an LFR DM ever saying take some items back there are illegal is virtually nil.
I'd ve very unlikely to query a person unless there was something illegal to anyone (a grasping bow, for example). If someone forgot his sheet, I'd definitely cut them a lot of slack -- like the GMs at this con. I don't think there's any conflict between checking things that look fishy and helping honest people have fun.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 4:44PM
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I was just trying to point out that the odds of an LFR DM ever saying take some items back there are illegal is virtually nil.
The odds of an LFR DM enforcing this particular CS interpretation is virtually nil. I would not, however, say that the odds an LFR DM asking you to correct your character sheet/log sheet if he thinks you're breaking the rules is nil, nor do I think the DM would be incorrect to require you to do so.
Are you telling me that if a player sat down at a table you were running, and used a Vecna's boon of diabolical choice (it's in the Character Builder, taken from an epic-level Dungeon magazine module and even there it's only supposed to be awarded by the DM to one PC as a one-shot consumable instead of being able to be purchased), claiming that because it was in the CB it was legal, and since it has a 0 gp value he can buy one every module, you wouldn't bat an eye?
Sadly, the above scenario is not fictional.
And, unfortunately, every DM has their own line of what they consider to be obvious and true interpretations of the rules.
If you believe that a PC is not allowed to purchase a Vecna's boon of diabolical choice, can't take a +2 flaming weapon when the adventure hands out a +2 magic weapon, and can't have seven found magic items as a 2nd level character (and all of those are so obvious that if you don't believe that, you shouldn't be DMing), I think it's entirely reasonable for you to tell a player they need to correct their character before they play at your table.
If you honestly believe that CustServ is correct, the same principle applies.
My initial point wasn't that I think any reasonable LFR DM is ever going to do this, more about the inanity of giving CustServ the power to makes rules proclamations like this that are binding on the campaign.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2010 - 2:05AM
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the inanity of giving CustServ the power to makes rules proclamations like this that are binding on the campaign.
This. On the other hand, it means more freedom for the DM: whenever custserv contradicts itself (and they often do), then the DM can pick whichever interpretation he prefers.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 09, 2010 - 8:23AM
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The POC for Waterdeep confirms that CS was mistaken. I assure you, you can have one found magic item per level, but you don't have to take one at each level, and can use previously open slots at higher levels
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3 years ago ::
Apr 19, 2010 - 3:29PM
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So what does this mean for those who are bringing their Encounters characters over to LFR? I don't believe there's any such limit for found magic items in Encounters and a first level character may arrive with two or three, depending on how his party decided to divide the goods.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 19, 2010 - 4:05PM
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So what does this mean for those who are bringing their Encounters characters over to LFR? I don't believe there's any such limit for found magic items in Encounters and a first level character may arrive with two or three, depending on how his party decided to divide the goods.
Until the LFR CCG is updated, D&DE characters are not legal in LFR. When it is updated, I would expect that we will have rules on how to deal with D&DE characters.
And to preempt the question: Yes, various announcements about D&DE might say that characters can be ported over to LFR, but that's as meaningless as the CB saying a character is legal for LFR or my declaring that my home game characters can be played in LFR, since none of those are legal sources for campaign rules.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 20, 2010 - 10:33AM
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- Dragon Slayer
- If only he would apply himself
- Dammit Jim, this is Star Trek, not D&D!
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CS is ill-equipped to answer anything related to living/organized play. They are really only equipped to work on core rules issues. While they get very few RPGA-related questions that are repeated on the boards, those that are have been right 0% of the time - they just don't seem to understand RPGA/LFR at all.
That's really ok, since the CCG is pretty clear on these types of issues and admins clear most other issues fairly quickly. However, it would be nice if they would just clear any RPGA question in a different way. They almost need a top-level process. Is this related to organized play/RPGA/living x? If no, proceed. Frankly, it isn't a bad thing to send any and all RPGA questions over to these forums - we are more qualified as a group to answer these things than CS. Unlike rules questions, where CS is much closer to the devs and can eventually get to the current "truth" within WotC, with RPGA questions the "truth" tends to be based on a lot of historical precedence, the CCG, and comments by admins.
It would be ridiculous to think that we could ask CS about authoring XP budgets, Warforged wearing Canith goggles, or the transition from D&D Encounters - they just have practically nowhere to go to answer the question outside of Tulach (and he has better things to do). Send any questions over here. "For RPGA and Organized Play questions, please see our excellent forums, accessible through this link..."
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