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3 years ago ::
Mar 17, 2010 - 11:20AM
#21
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(When you have the best possible attack bonus as a caster and miss on a 14 on the die, where as a weapon user, you would hit on an 11-12, you see these things).
True, though, in most cases, a caster is going against a NAD, while a weapon user is going against AC...and, in most cases, monsters' NADs are weaker than their ACs.
"Of course [Richard] has a knife. He always has a knife. We all have knives. It's 1183, and we're barbarians!" - Eleanor of Aquitaine, "The Lion in Winter"
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3 years ago ::
Mar 17, 2010 - 11:21AM
#22
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Date Joined:
Jun 10, 2004
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Since ARlife didn't seem to understand this I'll break it down for every weapon that has a superior equivalent.
Weapons that do get a bonus to attacks for going from military to superior
Longspear -> Greatspear
Flail -> Hydra Flail
Crossbow -> Superior Crossbow
Weapons that do not get a bonus to attacks for going from military to superior
Greataxe -> Execution Axe
Maul -> Mordenkrad
Greatsword -> Fullblade
Longsword -> Bastard Sword
Warhammer -> Craghammer
Battleaxe -> War Axe
Javelin -> Tratnyr
Shortsword -> Rapier
Longbow -> Greatbow
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3 years ago ::
Mar 17, 2010 - 11:38AM
#23
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Nov 22, 2006
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Except when weapons users can attack NADs on a regular basis with proficiency bonus. I mean piercing strike vs say a magic missile. Both just do damage, but piercing strike can be up to +4 higher accuracy wise than the magic missiler. Or sometimes the NADs are higher than the AC of the creature. This actually shouldnt be a feat, they should just be a properties for implements like how weapons have brutal/high crit/etc.. But we take what we can get.
BTW, thank you Ferol, for mentioning all the superior weapons and their counterparts.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 17, 2010 - 12:02PM
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Aug 22, 2007
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I temporary took this feat for my Sorceress thanks to the Dragon article. Hopefully a new P2 mod comes out before I'm nerfed.
You're not even empowered yet, since superior implement daggers aren't currently legal. End of month!
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3 years ago ::
Mar 17, 2010 - 12:27PM
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Exactly. When new P2 mods come out.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 17, 2010 - 1:34PM
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Oct 19, 2008
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Nads were supposed to often be lower than AC, but play a storm sorcerer using thunder powers vs fortitude for a while and you'll see just how annoyingly high fortitude is on a lot of monsters. Fort is even higher than AC for most brutes, which makes the lack of a proficiency bonus quite painful since brutes seem to be pretty common. check out this enworld link for the first MM stats www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-4th-edition-ru... Implement users vs will and reflex are fine, since it's a 2-3 point lower average than AC, Fort starts at less than a 2 point difference below AC and ends at less than 1 point below ac average at epic. A "Feat Tax" would be a feat that gives implement users an untyped +1 bonus to hit fort, or better yet a +1 at paragon and +2 at epic. To bring it in line with implement attacks against will and reflex.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 17, 2010 - 1:39PM
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I temporary took this feat for my Sorceress thanks to the Dragon article. Hopefully a new P2 mod comes out before I'm nerfed.
You're not even empowered yet, since superior implement daggers aren't currently legal. End of month!
Superior Implements are currently legal. PHB material is legal upon release (see RPGA CCG v. 1.95, p. 2). PHB 3 has been released -- in fact many of us have had it for over a week. Therefore, Superior Implements are legal (even though they haven't been added to Character Builder yet.
Daren
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3 years ago ::
Mar 17, 2010 - 1:40PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 19, 2008
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I temporary took this feat for my Sorceress thanks to the Dragon article. Hopefully a new P2 mod comes out before I'm nerfed.
You're not even empowered yet, since superior implement daggers aren't currently legal. End of month!
Superior Implements are currently legal. PHB material is legal upon release (see RPGA CCG v. 1.95, p. 2). PHB 3 has been released -- in fact many of us have had it for over a week. Therefore, Superior Implements are legal (even though they haven't been added to Character Builder yet.
Daren
Superior dagger implements however are in dragon and not phb3, so they are not legal till end of month.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 17, 2010 - 1:42PM
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Apr 16, 2009
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Superior Implements are currently legal. PHB material is legal upon release (see RPGA CCG v. 1.95, p. 2). PHB 3 has been released -- in fact many of us have had it for over a week. Therefore, Superior Implements are legal (even though they haven't been added to Character Builder yet.
Except for superior daggers, which only exist in the current uncompiled Dragon, which is what is being referred to above.
EDIT: NINJA'D
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3 years ago ::
Mar 17, 2010 - 2:01PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 16, 2002
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You're right. It's not a actual 'tax' but it's still crummy because its a feat that is so overwhelmingly good that the vast majority of players will have to take it. That, IMO, is poor design.
It's not necessary, but you have to take it? That makes no sense. 
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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