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3 years ago ::
Mar 08, 2010 - 10:08AM
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Actually, there is a published rule. Per RPGA General Guidelines, published 2003, on page 2 (and available under Event Downloads):
"Playtesters, editors, reviewers, cartographers, and writers of an adventure used by the RPGA may not play in that adventure at RPGA-sanctioned events, though they may (and are encouraged to) play these adventures as a playtest."
It's from 2003 - that rule seems outdated, it probably stems from the days of living greyhawk days people could not replay adventures.
We shouldn't give playtesters, reviewers, etc.. disincentives to help improve the quality of RPGA adventures overall.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 08, 2010 - 10:26AM
#62
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There is no rule.
Edit: looks like others beat me to it.
Ah. I think I found the rule. The RPGA General Rules still have the old Player Eligibility stipulations from 2003 (i.e. cannot play in anything you've written, playtested, DM'd, read or heard of) . The WotC LFR page links to the downloads section where this is provided. Since these appear to be the only RPGA 'General' Rules currently available, maybe it's not that surprising that some people are following them.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 08, 2010 - 10:30AM
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"Playtesters, editors, reviewers, cartographers, and writers of an adventure used by the RPGA may not play in that adventure at RPGA-sanctioned events, though they may (and are encouraged to) play these adventures as a playtest."
The rules are still posted by WotC which mean they are still in force, except as specifically overriden by more recent rules (see replay rules).
By this logic, you cannot play any adventure you have ever sanctioned for home play--that's the paragraph after the one you quote, and it also is not overridden by more recent rules.
It's a pretty tough sell that the 2003 RPGA General Rules have any more relevance to LFR than does the Fist of Emirikol.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 08, 2010 - 10:51AM
#64
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"Playtesters, editors, reviewers, cartographers, and writers of an adventure used by the RPGA may not play in that adventure at RPGA-sanctioned events, though they may (and are encouraged to) play these adventures as a playtest."
Is that to say that playtesters are not allowed to replay a module they playtested?
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3 years ago ::
Mar 08, 2010 - 11:02AM
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"Playtesters, editors, reviewers, cartographers, and writers of an adventure used by the RPGA may not play in that adventure at RPGA-sanctioned events, though they may (and are encouraged to) play these adventures as a playtest."
Is that to say that playtesters are not allowed to replay a module they playtested?
Laugh. I hadn't thought about that... I guess those roles should be considered outdated in general.
Dave Kay
LFR Writing Director Retiree
dkay807 [at] yahoo [dot] com
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3 years ago ::
Mar 08, 2010 - 11:37AM
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"Playtesters, editors, reviewers, cartographers, and writers of an adventure used by the RPGA may not play in that adventure at RPGA-sanctioned events, though they may (and are encouraged to) play these adventures as a playtest."
Is that to say that playtesters are not allowed to replay a module they playtested?
Laugh. I hadn't thought about that... I guess those roles should be considered outdated in general.
As I said in my post, "Well, technically, there might be some language in the ancient RPGA guidelines, but those documents are invalid concerning replaying and many other things now legal, so they aren't a useful reference."
That this document is on the Downloads page is indicative of how the campaign has failed to really keep any decent official online presence. From the "RPGA" name being sporadically used and not used, to the crazy collection of download docs... The Writer's Guidelines is out of date and conversations indicate the administration did not want the new version released (and therefore the old one should be taken down). The Fist? The Initiative cards? Ancient clutter.
We can find many rulings in those old RPGA documents that are not enforced in any way. Everything dealing with infractions and enforcement is completely invalid. Try and report someone to your local admins and see what kind of a response you would get. Yet, those files are up there.
There is no rule.
Frankly, I would be curious to know what the admins advocate an author that played their own module should do. Per the ancient RPGA guidelines, the table should be invalidated for all players and an infraction report submitted...
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3 years ago ::
Mar 08, 2010 - 12:02PM
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There is no rule.
Edit: looks like others beat me to it.
Ah. I think I found the rule. The RPGA General Rules still have the old Player Eligibility stipulations from 2003 (i.e. cannot play in anything you've written, playtested, DM'd, read or heard of) . The WotC LFR page links to the downloads section where this is provided. Since these appear to be the only RPGA 'General' Rules currently available, maybe it's not that surprising that some people are following them.
Yeah, I was going to point out that these same rules make it impossible for me to play games I've DM'd much less playtested. Of course, they are old and the CCG is newer ... so I suppose specific overrides general. Or something.
I'd really like to see the old RPGA download section thrown away and a new set of rules posted. But I'm not going to hold my breath.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 08, 2010 - 12:30PM
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I'd really like to see the old RPGA download section thrown away and a new set of rules posted. But I'm not going to hold my breath.
I'd settle for thrown away. I think the inaccurate rules are worse than no rules at all, in this case.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 08, 2010 - 2:54PM
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Per CCG 1.95 (more recent and more specific), it says:
Play of an adventure is restricted to once per character, not once per player. Unless otherwise specified, all RPGA adventures that allow you to create your own character can be played multiple times, so long as you use a different character each time you play. You can even DM a game and then play it at a later date. If you play an adventure again, you are required to let the DM know at the beginning of the game that you’ve already played it, and don’t ruin the surprises for anyone else that might be experiencing the adventure for the first time.
Playtesters count as players, and hence, are permitted to replay. I know that is the intended interpretation. Not sure what a reviewer is so that is probably a moot point. Author and editor are really the ones in question as the above paragraph does not address author and/or editor.
Many laws and regulations are amended by later laws and regulations; that does not mean they are wholesale thrown away. It does keep lawyers employed though.
Keith
Keith Hoffman
LFR Writing Director for Waterdeep
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3 years ago ::
Mar 08, 2010 - 10:44PM
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Not sure what a reviewer is so that is probably a moot point.
The other (non WD) regional admins, I think.
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