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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 3:06PM
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Because Corellon, Moradin and Bahamut are FR deities?
I mean the Sun Disk of Pelor and others you didn't mention.
Prerequisite: To use this symbol, you must worship Pelor.
It's a prerequisite. You take Pelor, and replace it with Amaunator. It's now usable in LFR. Done.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 3:39PM
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Corellon and Corellon are two totally different entities. One is good, while the other is unaligned.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 8:25PM
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Yes, the equivalency rule counts for PHB Deity specific magic symbols and PP pre-reqs. SO a symbol that requires you worship the Raven Queen woudl be usable by followers of Kelemvor, etc.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2010 - 5:37AM
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So if you worship a deity that doesn't have a PHB equivalent, then that's just too bad for you? Only half of the FR deities have a PHB equivalent (11 out of 21 deities). So I guess if you worship a deity like Ilmater, Waukeen, or Sune then you can't take any of the deity specific magic items or paragon paths? That's unfortunate.
Lori Anderson WotC Freelancer, LFR author @LittleLorika
CALI3-3 The Agony of Almraiven (co-author) NETH4-1 Containing Shadow (co-author) CALI4-1 Plain of Stone Spiders (author) QUES4-1 Liberation (co-author) EPIC5-1 Plaguewrought Prism (co-author)
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3 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2010 - 7:01AM
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Huh? I fail to see the problem. If you worship Moradin, you cannot pick the implement of Kord either and how many deity related PPs are there in the core books? The FRPG actually has FR deity related PPs (from memory Selune and Sune) and I have seen a Tymora one somewhere as well.
(Note that storywise the lack of deity specific holy symbols and boons is a bit of a shame...)
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3 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2010 - 7:20AM
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So if you worship a deity that doesn't have a PHB equivalent, then that's just too bad for you? Only half of the FR deities have a PHB equivalent (11 out of 21 deities). So I guess if you worship a deity like Ilmater, Waukeen, or Sune then you can't take any of the deity specific magic items or paragon paths? That's unfortunate.
You're correct. It does close you out of a relatively small number of rules items. OTOH, if you *did* worship a deity which had a PHB equivalent, the vast majority of those same rules items (paragon paths and holy symbols) would *still* be closed to you, since they're still for deities other than your own.
The net, more or less, is that you lose out on having a deity-specific holy symbol available to you, and a deity-specific paragon path available to you. In the end, I don't see that as being a tremendous disadvantage. If you do, then it's something you should take into account when you select which deity your character worships.
"Of course [Richard] has a knife. He always has a knife. We all have knives. It's 1183, and we're barbarians!" - Eleanor of Aquitaine, "The Lion in Winter"
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3 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2010 - 8:22AM
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It just seems like there is more deity-specific content for PHB deities than FR deities. For example, all the Adventurer's Vault Holy Symbols are for PHB deities. The text says "If the gods in your game world are different from the ones featured in the Player's Handbook, feel free to tweak the names and prerequisites of these holy symbols to serve the needs of your home campaign." But we're not playing a home campaign. If your god matches one of the ones that has been given a PHB equivalent, then you're in luck. If not, you have fewer options.
There are only four deity-specific Paragon Paths in the FR Player's Guide. Three of those deities (Amaunator, Selune, and Kelemvor) already have a PHB equivalent. So worshippers of those three deities have access to FR content as well as any content for their PHB equivalent. (Sorry - I guess Sune was a bad example as one of the "left out" deities since there is a FR paragon path.)
Every deity has a channel divinity power. Some, like Gond and Tymora, have 2 options for channel divinity (one in the FR book and one for their PHB equivalent). For half of the FR deities, that channel divinity is the only special deity-only content available. I guess it's not a big difference in the amount of open content now, but that might change. I could be wrong, but I would imagine that a lot of the new content that comes out will be for worshippers of the PHB gods (under the assumption that people using a different system of deities will just tweak the prerequisites).
I just don't understand why half the LFR gods have PHB equivalents so characters can use any new content that comes out for them and the other half of the gods don't. If there's a good reason behind it, that's fine. It just seems unfortunate that worshippers of some deities have fewer options than worshippers of other deities for no readily apparent reason. Probably not a big deal (at least they published a list of domains), but still mildly annoying.
Lori Anderson WotC Freelancer, LFR author @LittleLorika
CALI3-3 The Agony of Almraiven (co-author) NETH4-1 Containing Shadow (co-author) CALI4-1 Plain of Stone Spiders (author) QUES4-1 Liberation (co-author) EPIC5-1 Plaguewrought Prism (co-author)
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3 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2010 - 8:35AM
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Sep 21, 2004
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Yeah, try being a cleric of Lebelas Enoreth! No Domains or Channel Divinity feats to speak of! 
It would be great to see a Dragon article or something similar detailing the rest of the FR gods, since no new FR books are forthcoming.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2010 - 8:49AM
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I just don't understand why half the LFR gods have PHB equivalents so characters can use any new content that comes out for them and the other half of the gods don't.
Actually it's much less than half. You forgot to count the lesser gods and exarchs whose worshippers get no feats/items at all
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3 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2010 - 8:58AM
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Aug 10, 2007
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Maybe someone will write an article for Dragon . . .
Dan Anderson @EpicUthrac Living Forgotten Realms Calimshan Writing Director Living Forgotten Realms Epic Writing Director
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