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3 years ago ::
Feb 28, 2010 - 8:45PM
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Also, a lot of new material that comes out is being made for the core set of deities. Personally I think we're at a point that we can dump the equivalency rules.
So that we can't use the lot of new material that comes out?
There's not a lot of material that is deity specific. A small handful of PPs, a feat here or there. God Fragments. I don't see it as that big an issue that 5% of the material (and that's a very generous estimate) released couldn't be used.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago ::
Feb 28, 2010 - 10:43PM
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Also, a lot of new material that comes out is being made for the core set of deities. Personally I think we're at a point that we can dump the equivalency rules.
So that we can't use the lot of new material that comes out?
There's not a lot of material that is deity specific. A small handful of PPs, a feat here or there. God Fragments. I don't see it as that big an issue that 5% of the material (and that's a very generous estimate) released couldn't be used.
Yet it's the bread and butter of the divine power source. That's like saying that martial styles are not allowed since their schools are not FR and they only make a fraction of the martial options. Or that primal elements referring to core primal spirits should not be allowed for LFR.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 01, 2010 - 4:21AM
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Also, a lot of new material that comes out is being made for the core set of deities. Personally I think we're at a point that we can dump the equivalency rules.
So that we can't use the lot of new material that comes out?
There's not a lot of material that is deity specific. A small handful of PPs, a feat here or there. God Fragments. I don't see it as that big an issue that 5% of the material (and that's a very generous estimate) released couldn't be used.
Yet it's the bread and butter of the divine power source. That's like saying that martial styles are not allowed since their schools are not FR and they only make a fraction of the martial options. Or that primal elements referring to core primal spirits should not be allowed for LFR.
What exactly is bread and butter? Channel Divinity? The FR gods have their own. Deity specific PPs? Same. What else that's been released could be considered bread and butter? You can make a divine character just fine without ever taking any option that has the worship of a PHB deity as a prerequisite.
So what would be missing that's "bread and butter?" A term that denotes a character made without such options is somehow lacking or unplayable.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago ::
Mar 01, 2010 - 5:00AM
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I think the holy symbols and boons are the only PHB deity specific items that don't have FR equivalents. In case of boons that is no problem, since they are generally not available anyway, and if added as a treasure bundle the authors/administrators can change the fluff. In case of items, that is only true as a bundle. Not sure the loss of those would be that big a deal...
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3 years ago ::
Mar 01, 2010 - 3:42PM
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Nitpick: Boons are a DMG item. And they came out with the DMG 2 at that. So if that were to be considered "bread and butter" I call shenanigans.  And the symbols... even without an equivalent, I would suspect they are not a common thing among players. So I agree, it's likely not goign to be much of a loss. Still hunting for the mythical bread and butter.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 5:54AM
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I've always been confused about the special deity-specific holy symbols/weapons. So can LFR characters take a holy symbol that has the prereq of the equivalent deity? Or are those items just off-limits in LFR?
Lori Anderson
WotC Freelancer, LFR author
@LittleLorika
CALI3-3 The Agony of Almraiven (co-author)
NETH4-1 Containing Shadow (co-author)
CALI4-1 Plain of Stone Spiders (author)
QUES4-1 Liberation (co-author)
EPIC5-1 Plaguewrought Prism (co-author)
TotalCon: http://www.totalcon.com/RolePlaying.html
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 9:06AM
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Only a few are avaliable for FR.
Star of Corellon, Moradin's Indestructable Anvil and Dragonscale of Bahamut.
There is a Fist of Kord in a module, but unfortunately Kord is not an FR deity.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 9:09AM
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Only a few are avaliable for FR.
Star of Corellon, Moradin's Indestructable Anvil and Dragonscale of Bahamut.
There is a Fist of Kord in a module, but unfortunately Kord is not an FR deity.
Those are prerequisites, with specific PHB deities. Why wouldn't they work?
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 10:45AM
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Because Corellon, Moradin and Bahamut are FR deities?
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3 years ago ::
Mar 02, 2010 - 2:25PM
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The Fist of Kord specifically says you can use it if you worship Tempus or one of his Exarchs.
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