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3 years ago ::
Jan 27, 2010 - 4:39PM
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Thanks to Wolfstar76 for the link: bit.ly/djHar6Meaningful changes: * New retraining rules: Keep your race and class; everything else is up for grabs * Rules updates go into effect 30 days after their release (though you can choose to use them earlier if you want) * You only need three members of your AdCo at the table to get the bonus action point
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3 years ago ::
Jan 27, 2010 - 5:10PM
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* New retraining rules: Keep your race and class; everything else is up for grabs
Wait, anything? Including ability scores? As many as you want when you level???
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3 years ago ::
Jan 27, 2010 - 6:10PM
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It does seem a little odd to allow completely free retraining.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 27, 2010 - 7:26PM
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It does still say "It has a workspace for your retraining notes, so you can write down what one option (if any) you retrained when you gained a level."
I'd note does this mean you can retrain your paragon path or epic destiny?
Wow. That seems to require an explanatory note of "Hey, here's why we did this."
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3 years ago ::
Jan 27, 2010 - 8:14PM
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* New retraining rules: Keep your race and class; everything else is up for grabs
Wait, anything? Including ability scores? As many as you want when you level???
It does say "any and all character-based rules options." However, I would argue that ability scores are considered a character based rules option. However, they may very well have meant that so you can take advantage of different builds/change track after a harsh update.
I'll get Wolfstar to start up his poking stick to try to get a clarification.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 27, 2010 - 10:09PM
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IMO, these are two huge (HUGE!) changes. Retraining in the RPGA: Don't like any of your powers, class features, skills, or feats? Just level up, and then dump them all! Min/maxers rejoice!!! Rules Updates: The option to switch out a magic item for another one of the same type at the same level is incredible, especially with how many changes have been made to AV. I hope this applies retroactively, because I can find much better Level 7 armor for my ranger than +2 Veteran's. On another note, let me be the first to take credit for the new adventuring company requirements. I submit the following post from September 18, 2009: Suggestion: Relax the adventuring company requirements, and allow the extra action point if there are three members of the same company at the table. I play (and I imagine many people play) with a large weekly group, and there are different people at the table every time I sit down. Getting four people from the same company at the same table is difficult, if not impossible. I think lowering the action point requirement would (1) make adventuring companies more useful, (2) prevent adventuring companies with 40-character rosters just to get 4 at the same table, and (3) prevent players from forming a company right before the mod starts just so they can get the extra action point.
I thought that change had no chance...no chance. I'm floored to see that someone took it seriously.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 27, 2010 - 10:29PM
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Wait, anything? Including ability scores? As many as you want when you level???
We asked the same question to the globals, and the answer was: yes, including ability scores.
This is to enable people to switch builds that have different requirements (i.e. a Cha paladin to a Str paladin build).
The onyl exception are classes (including hybrid) and race. The rest is as you want it.
The basic idea is that people can in this way use new options when they become available (and buy new books. And Dragon subscriptions. So go to our store and empty your wallets.).
It is all up to the honor system to prevent abuse of these new options.
Gomez
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3 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2010 - 4:04AM
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I'll get Wolfstar to start up his poking stick to try to get a clarification.
Wait, anything? Including ability scores? As many as you want when you level???
We asked the same question to the globals, and the answer was: yes, including ability scores.
This is to enable people to switch builds that have different requirements (i.e. a Cha paladin to a Str paladin build).
Gomez
Seems I was beat to the punch, but I can try to get a more direct answer out of Chris tomorrow when I finally make it to DDXP.
I suspect that with the Organized Play seminar later today, however, that someone else will almost certainly ask during the Q&A. 
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3 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2010 - 4:15AM
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On another note, let me be the first to take credit for the new adventuring company requirements. I submit the following post from September 18, 2009:
I thought that change had no chance...no chance. I'm floored to see that someone took it seriously.
Was Windows 7 your idea as well? 
Dave Kay
LFR Writing Director Retiree
dkay807 [at] yahoo [dot] com
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3 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2010 - 5:01AM
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It does seem a little odd to allow completely free retraining.
It's all that crazy Spellplague energy running around... 
Lori Anderson
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