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3 years ago ::
Jan 26, 2010 - 9:18PM
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Now that I've finally located the correct forum for my question, here it is:
I've heard that including other party members in attacks requires permission from the player whose character you would be attacking, but I haven't seen that in any documentation. It's entirely possible that I'm looking in the wrong places, but could anybody help a brotha out?
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3 years ago ::
Jan 26, 2010 - 11:07PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 26, 2008
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pg. 3 of the LFR Character Creation Guide v 1.9. under "It's a team game" ... "If you are in control of your character and have an attack that includes PCs in its effect, always ask the players controlling the affected characters if it’s OK to damage or otherwise hinder their character before you make the attack."
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3 years ago ::
Jan 27, 2010 - 1:39AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 24, 2007
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Yes. That rule exists for a reason. I know three players in my immediate area that will immediately and without hesitation attack other party members (by which I mean directly attack them, not that they happen to be in the way for an area attack). In all three cases the player was being immature, and the DM was not really able to deal with that.
Case one led to a lengthy talk of most of the table against the player to stop doing that; case two led to everybody leaving the game in question; case three was simply ignored by everyone. Even if that rule wasn't in the CCG, a DM would be well within his rights to stop it on grounds that it is not fun.
(yes, with a group of good friends, interparty backstabbing can be fun; and no, an RPGA table frequently isn't such a group)
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3 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2010 - 1:14AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 16, 2006
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What about if, for example, a fellow party member is grabbed by a Bugbear Strangler, and players are aware that the Bugbear can redirect one's attack to your fellow player. Do you need permission to attack the Bugbear?
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3 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2010 - 6:57AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 16, 2002
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No. That's not a deliberate attack on a player. That's attack on amonster that has an ability to redirect the attack.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2010 - 12:10PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 24, 2009
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My local LFR play site follows this to the letter. Thrice now I've been asked by a party member if he/she can center a burst on me, to which I've said 'No' and well... they did it anyway. They asked, which meets the letter of the law. =/
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3 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2010 - 2:15PM
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May 19, 2004
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My local LFR play site follows this to the letter. Thrice now I've been asked by a party member if he/she can center a burst on me, to which I've said 'No' and well... they did it anyway. They asked, which meets the letter of the law. =/
The DM should not have allowed the action and should have warned the player that the action was a violation of the CCG. If the DM is also complicate, that is a little more complicated. There are possible remedies, but the best is to explain to the players before the game that when they ask to center a burst on you, and you say "no", and they do it anyway, they are actively decreasing your enjoyment of the game. Then, remind the DM of the guidelines about player behavior and making the game fun for all. In other words, may it clear in advance to everyone, players and DM, that the action is a violation of the rules. Do not be subtle about it.
If all else fails, find another group, or at the very least, spit in the guys food or drink who is being a jerk to you.
-SYB
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3 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2010 - 3:01PM
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Date Joined:
Jul 16, 2002
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My local LFR play site follows this to the letter. Thrice now I've been asked by a party member if he/she can center a burst on me, to which I've said 'No' and well... they did it anyway. They asked, which meets the letter of the law. =/
The admins have said multiple times that doing it this way is incorrect. No matter what they may think it says, at some point common sense needs to prevail.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2010 - 7:22PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 21, 2007
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The rule that says you must ask the other player carries an implication that should be commonly understood IMHO that you are asking to secure their permission or concurance. Proceeding forward without their okay is at least rude, and possibly antisocial. People often are very attached to their PCs; don't MESS with other people's PCs--it is really bad behavior and can lead to unpleasant outcomes.
Many players are okay with their PCs taking damage if the next benefit is good for the group. Some PCs will have resistances or something that mitigates the damage.
Ultimately D&D is a social game that involves people interacting with other people. Once you start to ignore common social graces, the play experience will not be good.
When I was a young lad, and I tried such literal reasoning, my mother would say I was a smart ass and usually ground me for a week. She knew that I knew what she meant, even if her words as stated were not explicit and airtight logic.
What happened to common sense?
Keith
Keith Hoffman
LFR Writing Director for Waterdeep
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3 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2010 - 8:09PM
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What happened to common sense?
Keith
You do remember that we play with gamers, right?  Common sense and game rules don't seem to matter in my area much either ... it's the most literal interpretation of the RAW that rules the day.
Allen.
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