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4 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2009 - 7:32AM
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Sep 27, 2003
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Hey, so they added the Shadow Initiate (assassin MC) feat to the compendium, even though it wasn't in the magazine. Is it RPGA legal? (/readies an action to Coup De Grace the first person to make a Warforged comment.) UPDATE:
Shadow Initiate is totally legal for play. It debuted in the Character Builder, thus it's good.
Sometimes, you just need to think about this from a common sense perspective - is there a good reason why it shouldn't be allowed?
Default for all content is it's allowed, unless we specify in either the content description or the Character Creation Guide that it isn't.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2009 - 8:53AM
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Aug 22, 2007
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No idea.
It's clearly not actually in the player resource the Compendium (and Character Builder) claim it's in.
You could argue that the Character Builder and Compendium, as official rules sources, have the same ability as errata and official updates to add rules to a publication that didn't already include them, but I don't know whether that's true.
You could also argue that (unlike wilden and tribal feats), this material is truly debuting in the Character Builder, and the CCG allows all "D&D Insider Character Builder debut content", though it's commonly understood that what the CCG author really meant to say was "Player's Handbook 3 Debut Content, as published in Dragon Magazine articles".
More importantly, while the assassin article mentions ki focuses, it doesn't actually list any. The CB/Compendium update adds vanilla magic ki focuses (sourced to the magazine), which assassins certainly might want to purchase.
I think a player could make a reasonable argument that the assassin MC feat and ki focuses are allowed, but the answer isn't particularly clear and the CCG is sufficiently imprecise that I can't really say with any certainty what was intended.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2009 - 2:43PM
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Jul 16, 2002
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By strict rules no it isn't. It was never in the compiled issue of Dragon. Hopefully we can poke the Great and Terrible Tulach into saying otherwise.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2009 - 3:28PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 27, 2003
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Ok, well since it isn't clear, perhaps a better question is how many judges here would tell a player who MCed into assassin (and even went as far as power-swapping in assassin powers) that he couldn't play at their table?
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4 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2009 - 6:13PM
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If it isn't listed as legal in the LFR 1.9 doc then it is not legal for play. Last check, it is not.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2009 - 8:12PM
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Sep 27, 2003
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If it isn't listed as legal in the LFR 1.9 doc then it is not legal for play. Last check, it is not.
You are sure?
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4 years ago ::
Oct 08, 2009 - 8:40PM
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Jul 16, 2002
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Yes: "Content appearing in Dragon Magazine that is player resource-friendly (full racial write-ups, classes, paragon paths, epic destinies, powers, feats, magic items, rituals/formulas, and backgrounds) is available for access if present in the compiled issue and when the compiled issue is available for download... ." The feat was never in Dragon, and it doesn't qualify under any of the other entries of Player Resources. It isn't an issue of "it isn't clear." By the RPGA rules it is very clear. It is, unfortunately, something that fell through the cracks by not being in Dragon.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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4 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2009 - 8:38AM
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Jan 26, 2005
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Yes: "Content appearing in Dragon Magazine that is player resource-friendly (full racial write-ups, classes, paragon paths, epic destinies, powers, feats, magic items, rituals/formulas, and backgrounds) is available for access if present in the compiled issue and when the compiled issue is available for download... ."
The feat was never in Dragon, and it doesn't qualify under any of the other entries of Player Resources. It isn't an issue of "it isn't clear." By the RPGA rules it is very clear. It is, unfortunately, something that fell through the cracks by not being in Dragon.
Except that since it never appeared in any previous source, one can argue that it is a CB debut item, simply lacking an article(which isn't necessary per se).
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4 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2009 - 8:55AM
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Jul 22, 2008
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Except that since it never appeared in any previous source, one can argue that it is a CB debut item, simply lacking an article(which isn't necessary per se).
The Assassin article was part of regular Dragon Magazine content, not part of the PH3 Debut series. I'm afraid RPGA rules on this are clear: the Shadow Initiate feat is not RPGA-legal.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 10, 2009 - 4:09PM
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Aug 22, 2007
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The Assassin article was part of regular Dragon Magazine content, not part of the PH3 Debut series.
... which would have meaning if the CCG said "Player's Handbook 3 Debut Content".
The CCG chose to say that "D&D Insider Character Builder debut content" is legal for use in the campaign. Not "Dragon Magazine Debut Content". Not "Player's Handbook 3 Debut Content". Not even just "D&D Insider Debut Content" (capitalized, which would imply a title instead of a description).
The fact that an article appears in Dragon Magazine is relevant only to whether it's part of that player resource. To be technical (and I suppose we're trying to be), the PH3 preview material is not legal for use until it actually debuts in the Character Builder.
Hybrids, wilden and tribal feats all appeared somewhere else first, so I'm fine excluding them as not being truly debut material, but ki focuses and the assassin multiclass feat have a better claim as being "Character Builder debut content" than the seeker class does.
You certainly may have a valid argument about what the CCG author was trying to get across, but when telling a player that they need to change their character or they can't play an adventure, I generally want a better argument than that, when the clear wording of the CCG backs them up.
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